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Old 11-26-2021, 11:35 AM
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I've got a chance at a good buy on a Glock. But they don't have external safeties and the trigger pull is lighter than my J frame in DA.
I'm sure this has been discussed to death and I'm not trying to stir the pot but I'm tempted by this good deal. And sometimes it would be nice to have 10 + 1 without a reload instead of the 5 my j frame gives me.
Another con is I would need a good holster and wear it on my waistband instead of in a pocket like I'm used to. I'm afraid I might buy it and not use it much for that reason.
It's a Model 26 which is a bit bigger than my S&W 638. I don't feel operation of the pistol would be an issue. I've been around guns all my life. But I'm having doubts. Seems like there's too much chance for Murphy's Law to take hold, what with a relatively light trigger pull and no external safety.

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You’re overthinking it.
If it’s a good deal: buy it, try it, then keep it or sell it. Not like you’re getting married to it.
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You’re overthinking it.
If it’s a good deal: buy it, try it, then keep it or sell it. Not like you’re getting married to it.
Yes it is a good deal, and I've been watching Hickok 45. Dang thing looks like it would be a hoot to shoot.
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I've got a chance at a good buy on a Glock. But they don't have external safeties and the trigger pull is lighter than my J frame in DA.
I'm sure this has been discussed to death and I'm not trying to stir the pot but I'm tempted by this good deal. And sometimes it would be nice to have 10 + 1 without a reload instead of the 5 my j frame gives me.
Another con is I would need a good holster and wear it on my waistband instead of in a pocket like I'm used to. I'm afraid I might buy it and not use it much for that reason.
It's a Model 26 which is a bit bigger than my S&W 638. I don't feel operation of the pistol would be an issue. I've been around guns all my life. But I'm having doubts. Seems like there's too much chance for Murphy's Law to take hold, what with a relatively light trigger pull and no external safety.

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True safeties are not on guns, a true safety is on us and is directly related to the gray matter that sits between our ears.

I will say that having an external safety does have a better chance of saving one's a**, when we're being negligent, than not having one.

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I've been carrying the Glock 26 on and off the job since 1995 or 1996. In fact, I like it so much that it's the only handgun I have two of. (I also own both G17 and G19.)

It is my primary carry when I depart my home or walking distance from home, where I carry my S&W 642-1.

It's a great gun...I recommend it highly.
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Lots of people carry Glocks. I don't like manual safeties on my carry so that's a plus. The downside is there is nothing to prevent an accidental discharge like a DAO trigger, the heavy DA trigger on a DA/SA pistol or the heavy DA trigger on a revolver.

Glock had to come up with a manual safety to be considered for the militaries M9 replacement.

As a long time revolver shooter I never could get used to not having some type of additional mechanism besides a light trigger to augment safe use. I know striker pistols without safeties have become the norm but I don't think I could ever carry one. I've always liked DA/SA Sigs for that purpose. YMMV.
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You've pretty much reiterated my thought process on Glocks and similar handguns, and no, I won't conceal carry one. Fine as a range toy, however.

Lots of folks do conceal carry Glocks without problems, but I'm just not comfortable in doing so.
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Can you measure the trigger pull? Any chance the trigger pull on this one has been reduced from factory normal? Reduced trigger pull is probably not a good idea on a carry piece but it is great for target shooting.
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Guns don’t fire on their own. I own two Glocks.
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a gunsmith sells a "modified safety " inserted. i converted my glock to a .22 LR and like it. a glock needs a safety !
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The key to carrying a Glock safely is a correct holster - one that covers the trigger guard, preferably made from Kydex or very high quality leather. Drop a glock in your pocket with no holster and there is a definite risk of a negligent discharge. Same with riding the trigger with your trigger finger when drawing, etc. Pull too hard and the gun will fire, as it's supposed to.

I have a few Glocks and like them very much. The G26 is my primary IWB carry gun. The G20 in 10mm rides in a chest holster when I am hunting out here.
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I regularly carry a G26 in a Galco pocket holster, great carry gun
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Old 11-26-2021, 12:27 PM
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If someone is 'Old School' (VERY Old School) and used to always resting their trigger finger on the trigger of their J Frame, then no, it might not be safe... Until they learn to keep their finger off the trigger until it is on target and ready to shoot.

That was one of the hardest things to get my FIL to learn when he came to visit. Now he carries a G43.
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Firearms are inherently dangerous by design, even more so if handled incorrectly. So is a Bic pen. Take the time to thoroughly familiarize yourself with the Glock, buy a proper holster as has been mentioned already, and enjoy the “Perfection”.

Two of the three Glock 26 pistols I have owned.
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True. I think most Glock ND's came from re-holstering.

The problem as I see it isn't the pistol, it's the operator having to get used to a new fire control system. Going from a revolver, DAO pistol or DA/SA pistol to a Glock is a major transition and one I wouldn't want to make. The juice isn't worth the squeeze, at least for me anyway.

I've spent hundreds of hours training with a Sig P series pistol. That's not an investment I'm going walk away from for a Glock or a 1911.

If you don't train I guess it doesn't matter.
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Just try to remember to keep your finger off the trigger when it's sliding down the leg of your baggy sweatpants and you try to catch it.

Lots of people carry them safely. Lots of people safely carry 1911s in condition 1. Lots of people safely carry DA revolvers. Each requires a different set of manipulations and cautions. The transition from one to the other requires conscious effort.
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But I'm having doubts. Seems like there's too much chance for Murphy's Law to take hold, what with a relatively light trigger pull and no external safety.



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Your not wrong, and your doubts are not only legitimate, but they are unlikely to go away, since the mechanics are what the are.
I won't carry anything with a 5lb trigger in a concealed manner either.



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Glocks are particularly dangerous to the untrained, incompetent, impaired and complacent. if you aren't in the habit of practicing proper trigger discipline and don't pay proper attention when holstering, you do increase your chance of of an accidental/negligent discharge. Most individuals can handle Glocks without accidentally putting holes where they don't belong. Glocks and similar striker fired handguns now dominate the LE and Military market. While the skill and discipline of MiL and LE vary greatly by organization and individual and there have been a number of AD/NDs the majority are able to handle their service pistols without self selecting.

As mentioned above, select a good quality holster that covers the trigger guard and remember that there is no prize for fast holstering. A number of the AD's I've read about have occurred when something gets into the trigger during holster.

Two other options, modify the G26 or look at another make/model. If the stock glock trigger pull (5.5-6 lbs) is too light for your taste, have a Glock armorer replace the trigger spring and connector which should get you an 8lb trigger pull. While that is still lighter than a DA revolver, it might make you more comfortable.

Both the SIG P365 and S&W Shield can be had with manual safeties. While the P365 will be more expensive then the G26, you get the same number of rounds in a thinner package and the option of a manual safety. The S&W Shield can be purchased at a very competitive price with a manual safety as well. The standard shield only holds 7 or 8 in the magazine, but the new Shield plus holds 10 or 13.

Or for Bonus Points, get yourself a 3913 or 6906, IMHO of the best IMHO 3rd GEN S&W compact Semi autos.

YMMV.

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Lots of good info in the above posts... a Glock is no less safe than any other striker gun. Just use a quality holster for carry.

IMHO, the G26 dates back a long way, and there are more recent offerings in the small 9mm category that are better ergonomically, and thinner. I'd try one of the Sig P365 series, a Hellcat and a Shield+ before committing.
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Been carrying Glocks regularly since the late-90s. Carry with full confidence. Big +1 for a quality holster.
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Course they are, I'm more worried about the Daryl behind the gun.
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Some one tell me why a 1911 has 4 (FOUR) safetys and a Glock has NONE.
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I’m a big fan of Glocks in general, and the Glock 26 in particular. Yes, they are ugly. Yes, they have no soul. As the great Ken Hackathorn says, “Glocks are the only guns that come out of the box with no pride of ownership.” But the damn things just work.

Yes, they are inherently more “dangerous” to the user than a revolver. Carrying one is akin to carrying a 1911 cocked and locked with the safety off. As has been said, practice and attention to detail is essential. As was also said, the act of holstering poses the greatest risk. I added a striker control device (AKA “The Gadget”) from Tau Development to the Glock 26 I carry most often, and it adds an extra measure of security without adding any steps to firing the gun.

It all boils down to a personal decision, hopefully based on an honest self-assessment of one’s skill level. As for myself, I still carry a revolver 90+% of the time. There is an added component of “intentionality” with a double action revolver that I prefer. Despite the many thousands of rounds I’ve fired through Glocks over the years, I have on occasion—during pistol matches—sent a round downrange a fraction of a second before my sights have settled on the target.
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Lots of good info in the above posts... a Glock is no less safe than any other striker gun. Just use a quality holster for carry.
No less safe? A Glock is safer than many or most striker-fired guns, with its middle-of-the-trigger safety. It is very safe to carry, certainly in a decent holster.

The problem, if it is one, with most striker-fired guns, is holstering. With most hammer guns, round or slabside, one can control the hammer manually when holstering. This is an additional assurance of safe holstering. Even on the Centennials, one can put the index finger behind the trigger when holstering. Does your striker-fired gun offer even this option?

Striker-fired guns can be holstered safely. Often a hammer gun can more easily be holstered even more safely.

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Glocks are safe. People? Maybe not so much.

My EDC is a Glock 26. My bride (The One For Whose Happiness I Live) carries one too.

A number of our friends have purchased and now carry Glocks after learning of our preferences and trying ours. I have trained these people in safely carrying, handling and shooting these pistols. Many in our community are pilots. They are accustomed to the practice of training on a specific piece of equipment new to them, even if they are generally familiar with the concept.

I consider the Glock to be an outstanding combat pistol. In my estimation their benefits merit any training necessary to ensure safe carriage, handling and use.

Those same pilots understand the universal applicability of the term 'pilot error', and how to avoid it.
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I’ve been regularly carrying a Gen 5 G26 for several years. Very accurate, easy to carry, can use mags holding 10-33 rounds and it hasn’t misbehaved yet.
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I loved my 26…they are great carry guns and I shot it well. My 43x has taken its place as my EDC though..31 rounds on hand with a reload and in a very small package.

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Just don't "Glock yourself". You wouldn't want to end up with "Glock leg". I wonder where those expressions came from.
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Thanks. Many good replies here. My friend carries his 43x in condition 3.
I'm still on the fence. 5.5 lb trigger pull concerns me. I might buy it because its a good deal. I don't have to carry it, or keep it for that matter. I could flip it or trade.
The thought of having 11 rounds of 9mm in such a small package does sound appealing.

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IMO a Glock 26 is a bit heavy for pocket carry. I have a well made Galco horsehide pocket holster for mine that I've relegated to heavy winter coat use only. Even with sturdy pants the weight is too much for me in a pants pocket. In a proper IWO or OWB belt holster the 26 is a great carry choice. Also will work with an ankle rig. Remember it will handle standard G19 and G17 mags too. Great for reloads or as a backup to either. If you want a more DA revolver-like trigger pull consider a NY-1 or NY-2 drop in unit.

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1911 designed by who? and glock designed by who?
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Glocks are basically the same as most striker fired pistols are! I would not want one with a manual safety! I have seen too many people rely on manual safety's that are often flicked off by accident. Just as scary are people who purposely leave the safety in the off position for a quick shot and inadvertently flick them on! If they need the gun immediately, they will not understand why the gun didn't go bang. IMHO most safeties are either too big (can easily be flicked on or off by accident) or too small, making them hard to activate in a moment of need.

Glocks, Sigs, an alike all have internal safeties to insure they won't go off if dropped, bumped etc and the only way for them to be fired is when the trigger is pulled. MAKE SURE that trigger is not pulled unless you want it to go off. Even the center "so called safety" in Glock triggers (which I personally dislike) is almost just as vulnerable as the rest of the trigger. If pulled by accident it will still go off - one reason I don't like them. They offer little to no real safety.

After carrying a Revolver for 40 years my muscle memory & mindset is to draw and pull the trigger. I do not want to introduce a third step that I have to learn now! KISS!!

My EDC is a P365 with no safety. With these striker fired pistols it is imperative to always carry them in a holster that covers the trigger guard. Keep that finger off the trigger unless you are ready, willing and able to discharge a shot. Practice, practice, practice!

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The typical "modern" striker action is an answer to a question that didn't need to be asked in the first place. All it takes is one time for the trigger to be inadvertently actuated and your life can change forever. Why make Mr. Murphy's task easier compared to a full-stroke, full-weight DA trigger?
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Max,

Up until a few years ago, all I would look at were revolvers (S&W or Colt) and 1911s. That changed after I worked/shot my first GSSF match, then shot my 439 in the first Adaptive Defensive Shooting Summit. The 439 hurt my time plus scores with the first shot DA. Fortunately, that is where I won my P320 X-compact. After borrowing a Glock for my first and second GSSF matches, I decided I needed my own.

Fast forward. I have since won my Sig P320 X-compact and a P365, plus a Glock 30, and when I shoot GSSF matches, I'll be shooting 5 divisions this year. Because I had similar apprehensions, I selected a P365 with manual safety, which is my carry arm when I can legally carry. I am starting to warm up to the Glocks, and looking at pocket carrying my G42, and possibly IWB my G26. However, when I would want to reholster any Glock, I would first remove the holster, reholster a hot pistol, then return the holster to my belt. I am fond of the Blue Star kydex holster.

The only time that I reholster a striker fired pistol is during matches without removing my holster is when I have shown the pistol to be clear.

Just a suggestion on a good deal. If your good deal is more than $425 plus tax and NICS check, you might want to consider joining the GSSF. It's $35 for the first year, but you can purchase a Blue Label Glock 26 Gen 5 for $425 plus tax and NICS, plus be eligible to enter GSSF matches, which can help to build both your proficiency and confidence in a striker fired pistol. Also, if the standard 5.5 pound trigger is too light for you, you can add either a + connector to increase the pull weight, or get a New York trigger.

If you practice safety, it will become second nature!
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Some one tell me why a 1911 has 4 (FOUR) safetys and a Glock has NONE.
A Glock has three safeties .
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However, when I would want to reholster any Glock, I would first remove the holster, reholster a hot pistol, then return the holster to my belt. I am fond of the Blue Star kydex holster.

The only time that I reholster a striker fired pistol is during matches without removing my holster is when I have shown the pistol to be clear.


If you practice safety, it will become second nature!
I'm just thankful I didn't have to remove the holster from my Sam Brown every time I reholstered my sidearm. If it isn't safe to do on the range, it's not safe to do on the street.
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Thanks. Many good replies here. My friend carries his 43x in condition 3.
I'm still on the fence. 5.5 lb trigger pull concerns me. I might buy it because its a good deal. I don't have to carry it, or keep it for that matter. I could flip it or trade.
The thought of having 11 rounds of 9mm in such a small package does sound appealing.
You can change the stock trigger spring to either a NY1 (8 pounds) or a NY2(11 pounds). They’re less than 5 bucks. If you want an extra layer of security, there is a striker control device offered by Tau Group, that when you place your thumb on the back of the slide, it prevents the gun from firing, so you can press the striker plate with your thumb as you holster and no threat of Glock Leg.
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I have CCW Glocks for years.
1. use Universal Cover Mode
2. use a quality holster that covers the trigger guard.
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With all due respect to the legion of Glock fans out there, I don't care for them. I'm not necessarily opposed to pistols without a manually-actuated safety, but I would want a much heavier trigger pull than a Glock has.

I have two Beretta DAO pistols -- a 92 Centurion and a 96 Centurion -- and a Sig 229 with their DAK action...no manual safeties on any of them, and I'm very comfortable with that. But there's just something about the combination of light triggers with no safeties that I don't like...
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The typical "modern" striker action is an answer to a question that didn't need to be asked in the first place. All it takes is one time for the trigger to be inadvertently actuated and your life can change forever. Why make Mr. Murphy's task easier compared to a full-stroke, full-weight DA trigger?
Shoot a G17 rapid fire. Then shoot a full stroke, full weight DA trigger.

Then tell us which one you want when your back's against the wall and the Jackboys are preparing to do you bodily harm.
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There are animations online showing how the Glock action and safeties work. I looked them up when I first had an opportunity to buy a Glock.

The striker is partially cocked until you pull the trigger. Until then it doesn't have enough energy to fire a round even if released. The striker also has a block until the trigger is pulled.

A holster that covers the trigger and only holstering when you can see the trigger are the keys.

A clip on IWB holster works for me. The weapon is holstered before t goes into the trousers.
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I love my Glocks—so much so that if I was stuck on a desert island and could only have one gun for survival, a Glock 19 would be one of my top 3 choices.

As others have mentioned, the New York trigger springs are available to weight the trigger heavier. Installation is pretty simple (there's a million YouTube videos showing you how), and it's completely reversible if you decide that you don't want a heavy trigger anymore. And it's worth mentioning here that when it comes to parts availability, you simply will not beat Glock.

As for the ergonomics ... they fit some people and they don't fit others. The same can be said of every gun in the universe. As fine as the Springfield XD is, it just doesn't work in my hands. Glocks do.

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I carried a Glock as my issued weapon for the last 20 years of my career absent any negligent discharges. That said I would never carry a Glock, or any other striker fired pistol, IWB/appendix b/c I don’t think it’s safe.
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I'm just thankful I didn't have to remove the holster from my Sam Brown every time I reholstered my sidearm. If it isn't safe to do on the range, it's not safe to do on the street.
Sir,

I think that I should qualify my response. Being disabled with only 1 good limb (my right/shooting arm), I am super cautious. Earlier this month, I just had my 30th surgery in just shy of 15 years (24 of those were accident related), and I really don't want to end up in anymore hospitals!

Between the Adaptive Defensive Shooting Summit matches and PPC matches, I am getting much more comfortable holstering a "hot" pistol in an OWB holster, but I am hesitant to reholster a "hot" pistol in either an IWB or pocket holster. In these two instances, that muzzle gets a little close to the body.
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I don't like Glocks or other striker fired pistols. I own two and shoot them on the range. I never carry them.

I would never carry one in an appendix holster. Something about pointing the barrel at my junk or my femoral artery. Many do here.

One size doesn't fit all.

My preference is a Colt or Ed Brown 1911 in 45 acp or a S&W revolver.

I like the heavy trigger pull on revolvers.

Pick what you shoot the best and are most comfortable with.
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