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Old 12-23-2021, 11:51 PM
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1) Just a heads up from a guy that used to do it WAY too much back when. Hitting paper by cocking the hammer and shooting your carry revolver to make nice perfect groups, is not going to cut it in a dirty situation for the most part. Unless you practice pulling the trigger in double action in quick repeat shots at center mass, just sell your double action. Go get a single action with a short barrel; because that is what you are “training” with.
Save the hammer cocking for the fun of shooting groups; and slow aimed hunting fire practice.
2) Prosecutors LOVE the trigger cockers! They spin it into a thing called ‘intent’ . That is not good for you lawful self defense case. I still love trigger cocking at tiny distant things; but don’t think you are preparing for that terrible day I pray never comes for any of you. Learn your trigger and revolver in double action, practice moving safely while firing, and You have practiced two important basics.
3) I wish I remembered the biography this was in! Credit this to one of the old lawmen in the Jordan, Hamer, and Cirillo eras; all of which survived and won several dozens of gunfights between them. It is harder for the body to turn against the direction to the back of the gun hand, than in towards it It is science also that humans take a few 100ths of time to react. Even a step that way, away from the back of their gun hand, instead of toward the bad guys palm facing direction, can buy you that tiny bit of time to catch them shooting where you just were, and getting that first shot on target. Will you remember that last one in the quick and dirty? Dunno, probably not. But if you train it you have a much better chance of just doing it on autopilot.

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Went to the range today w/a older Model 60 & 340PD. Paper plates @ three, five & seven yards shooting double action as fast as I can hit. Empty the gun, reload w/a speedstrip & repeat. My objective is to keep all ten hits on the plate. Tight groups are unimportant.
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Best tip I can give for new EDC revolver carriers is to trade it in on a M&P9C or a G19.
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My father started me out (after learning the rifle (bb/pellet then .22) with 4” and 6” revolvers on paper plates; and I use them to this day. Same thing you said; “if you can hit that paper plate, you have them going where they need to.”
Then when I eventually got that basically down well enough for a newbie, out to 10yds, he drew & colored in a 3” circle with a magic marker.
“Now. Practice getting them in the black part.”
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I don’t agree. Carry whatever you’re confident shooting, revolver or semi-automatic. There are plus and minus points to both. Semi you have more shots, but screwed if close up or the gun in concealed. Revolver your shots are limited, but shoot from your pocket if you have to. Personally I’m not looking to engage, but to get away. I like people to have a choice and evaluate their own needs. I’d carry whatever gun I have semi or revolver that I felt comfortable with. I’m pretty comfortable with all my guns, but some are just simple to conceal and there’s always a round in the chamber.
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Oddly, I've carried a revolver on duty and off since 1978 until the 90s and have no idea what a 'trigger cocker' might be. And I've never heard a prosecutor even say those words. No agency I've ever worked for trained to fire revolvers single action. in 43 years.

I've just got to start reading up on gunfighting to learn all I've missed.

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Oddly, I've carried a revolver on duty and off since 1978 until the 90s and have no idea what a 'trigger cocker' might be. And I've never heard a prosecutor even say those words. No agency I've ever worked for trained to fire revolvers single action. in 43 years.

I've just got to start reading up on gunfighting to learn all I've missed.

This. If a defense shot is good, it doesn't matter whether it was fired single or double action. Does a striker fired gun show "intent?"


And how would anybody ever know.?

Another "if you you use handloads, you're going to prison for 40 years" thing.
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Well, back in the day we fired our revolvers single action… from the 50 yard line. Everything closer was DA.
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I believe strongly in DA revolver shooting for all defensive purposes, but for different reasons than those given at the beginning of this discussion.

I find it difficult to believe that any prosecutor has ever made an issue of revolver firing technique. A good shoot is a good shoot, period.

However, shooting single-action might result in turning an otherwise good situation into a bad shoot, and here is why. The defender cocks his revolver, and is possibly covering the attacker. Whereas just the presentation of the weapon might have been sufficient to defuse the attack, now you are pointing a weapon requiring just a fraction of effort to discharge it. The person who was previously attacking makes a move, possibly not even in a threatening manner, and the defender ends up discharging his weapon due to nervousness. He also has to decock the revolver if not firing, and that requires manipulation of the trigger in a high stress situation.

There was no attack taking place, the situation was resolved, until the person who was previously the defender has now taken on the role of attacker by firing his weapon when it wasn't warranted, even if inadvertently.

Now you have a bad shoot, and will pay the legal consequences. Better to train DA 100% of the time, and avoid the "hair trigger" discharge that will turn you from righteous to criminal. Another reason why one should always keep the finger off the trigger, especially with striker fired or SA semi-auto pistols with light triggers as well as with single-action revolvers that require only a fraction of the amount of effort that they do in DA mode.
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I would say carry a weapon that is an extension of you. Pulling your ccw in a fight is not the time ask yourself if you can hit the target or even possibly take life.
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Well, back in the day we fired our revolvers single action… from the 50 yard line. Everything closer was DA.
Our pistol team was allowed SA for PPC matches for the 18 rds at the 50. They mostly had modified revolvers for match only.

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1)It is harder for the body to turn against the direction to the back of the gun hand, than in towards it It is science also that humans take a few 100ths of time to react. Even a step that way, away from the back of their gun hand, instead of toward the bad guys palm facing direction, can buy you that tiny bit of time to catch them shooting where you just were, and getting that first shot on target. Will you remember that last one in the quick and dirty? Dunno, probably not. But if you train it you have a much better chance of just doing it on autopilot.
So you are saying that facing a right handed attacker pointing a gun at you, take a step to your left? Because that will be moving the direction that they are slower to be able to turn and take a bead on you? But if you are also right handed, wouldn't that be the equivalent of them moving to their left - in the direction that you are going to be slower to be able to pivot and take a bead on them?

I guess that because you are the one moving it will be easier for you to adjust and turn towards your own backhand than it will be for them to do the same - assuming they are stationary.

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If you choose a revolver regardless of it being able to shoot SA or DA, train to hit DA. It’s your technique that matters in the end.
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My dad came on the job during the revolver era. S&W model 65's. He said they only shot single action firing prone at 50 yrds. Everything else was double action. I came on much later and started with a Glock 37. I carry revolvers for the most part off duty and shoot mostly double action. Some I have to, M&P340. I will sometimes shoot single action but thats just to see how tight I can make a group and thats slow fire.
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Sorry, I had to laugh at the OP when I read it.

I am a revolver shooter. It appears he is confusing his own terms. Cocking the hammer allows you to shoot single action. Using the trigger to cock the hammer is double action shooting. And the idea of using single action to shoot tiny groups? Apparently he has not seen a PPC shooter use a revolver!

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Or 640, 296, etc. Nothing to cock.
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Or 640, 296, etc. Nothing to cock.
Those would be nice guns to have. Might have a bit more work to do, practice, if I was to carry a 296! LoL.

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G19.......a pistol with the grip angle of a Luger, no safety and a 3.5 lb. trigger....what could go wrong.....
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I believe strongly in DA revolver shooting for all defensive purposes, but for different reasons than those given at the beginning of this discussion.

I find it difficult to believe that any prosecutor has ever made an issue of revolver firing technique. A good shoot is a good shoot, period.

However, shooting single-action might result in turning an otherwise good situation into a bad shoot, and here is why. The defender cocks his revolver, and is possibly covering the attacker. Whereas just the presentation of the weapon might have been sufficient to defuse the attack, now you are pointing a weapon requiring just a fraction of effort to discharge it. The person who was previously attacking makes a move, possibly not even in a threatening manner, and the defender ends up discharging his weapon due to nervousness. He also has to decock the revolver if not firing, and that requires manipulation of the trigger in a high stress situation.

There was no attack taking place, the situation was resolved, until the person who was previously the defender has now taken on the role of attacker by firing his weapon when it wasn't warranted, even if inadvertently.

Now you have a bad shoot, and will pay the legal consequences. Better to train DA 100% of the time, and avoid the "hair trigger" discharge that will turn you from righteous to criminal. Another reason why one should always keep the finger off the trigger, especially with striker fired or SA semi-auto pistols with light triggers as well as with single-action revolvers that require only a fraction of the amount of effort that they do in DA mode.
That pretty well describes why some police departments fairly late in the revolver era adopted DAO revolvers, where the hammer could not be cocked due to the lack of a single stage sear, or did not have a hammer spur.

That was the end of a long evolution.

You’ll not on the early 1905 Hand ejector that you can’t see the rear sight with the hammer down. It was designed for single action shooting with the sights. The double action feature was just an added feature for faster shooting in dire situations.

By the late 1930s however the FBI was teaching its agents to shoot at short range (up to 10 yards) from the hip in a crouch without using the sights at all, and without having the revolver anywhere near their line of sight. That worked well when the engagement ranges were 30 ft or less. That was fairly consistent with the broader consensus that the maximum range for shooting DA was about 25 ft anyway.

The other FBI inspired method at the time was to shoot single action one handed with the weak hand across the officers chest as more or less impromptu body armor. The sights were used in that method and it was intended for longer range shots over 10 yards.

Around the same time (mid 1930s) some police departments were recognizing that cocking the hammer back on a revolver created an increased potential for an officer to fire unintentionally. In SA mode, the trigger pull is short and comparatively light. An officer might be walking into a building hammer cocked ready to shoot and as such with finger in the trigger may well shoot if h was startled by anything - even a suspect throwing his hands in the air. In addition, once that hammer is cocked if the gun isn’t fired it has to be de-cocked and under extreme stress and under the effects of adrenaline post incident, the fine motor skills needed to de cock a hammer can be conspicuously absent.

Thus as far back as the 1930s some experts were advising keeping the revolver in DA mode and with the trigger outside the trigger guard. It didn’t slow down a first shot to any great degree and it prevented a lot of unintentional discharges.

Hammer spurs also started being shortened or reprofiled to allow the sights to be see with the hammer down, reflecting recognition that the sights could and should be used in DA mode.

In the late 1950s and early 1960s Jack Weaver started showing up at fast draw competitions using a two hand stance as well as the revolver’s sights and more importantly winning against the FBI style “pop a squat and take a shot” style hip shooters. He essentially pioneered the concept of using a flash sight picture with a DA trigger pull to shoot both fast and accurately.

At the time most police training was still centered on either hip shooting or Bullseye style one hand shooting. Many of the police training officers were selected because they were also the top Bullseye shooters in the department. Consequently Jack Weaver’s innovative style didn’t gain traction very quickly. New idea often don’t gain traction until the guys trained in the older methods retire or die off.

For example, my first experience with Bullseye postal matches started in the basement range of our department and that was in the early 1980s. Worse the police chief still required dump pouches, did not allow speed loaders and was hesitant to even allow a 7th round in a dump pouch - even though the odds were very high that you”d drop a round while reloading with a dump pouch under stress and time pressure. He was more or less anti gun and if he’d heard about the Newhall shooting, he didn’t care. It was don’t ask don’t tell, but I strongly suspect most officers carried a J frame in an ankle holster.

All of the revolvers on the approved list were also SA/DA revolvers, but that point in time some departments had gone DAO only and many others had policies that prohibited single action use. The motive there was primarily liability due to the potential for accidental discharges by officers under stress.

Officers being people, an unintended consequence of banning single action use or adopting DAO revolvers was some officers “staging” the DA trigger. Staging was actually far worse than single action as officers would take up most of the DA pull to the first or second “click” and then hold it there. Talk about a startle response in spades.

In some respects a total ban on SA use was going too far. Most departments still trained with some variant or close cousin of the FBI qualification course and on the 50 yard line where you generally had more time and accuracy was more important, there was arguably some value to using single action. That was certainly true for the officers who knew how to shoot accurately due to years of Bullseye competition.
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While the intentions behind this post were well meaning, I am afraid that they may be doing more bad than good. The best advice to surface (in my mind), is to carry what you shoot best and have the most confidence with.

When I started target shooting in the late '70s, it was with 3T 6" target revolvers, and I found shooting SA to be the best way to achieve my goals. When I ventured into PPC, I used either my 4" Trooper Mk III or a 6" K38 with service trigger and hammer. On the short course (25 yards), I would only shoot DA. (Where I started shooting PPC, semi-autos had to be DA/SA, SA was verboten! Where I now shoot PPC, all varieties of semi-auto are permitted.)

Now, I have a few 3" revolvers that are better suited to day trips in a neighboring state that honors my CPL. It is much quicker and safer to pull into a parking lot and secure an unloaded revolver than to make safe a semi-auto AND empty and secure the magazines and ammo in order to deny a LEO probable cause in the event that I get pulled over in my home state.

With the above stated, with my current physical limitations, I wouldn't consider carrying without some degree of training and practice. While it is mostly a matter of being self-taught, that training/practice comes from shooting PPC. All of my short course PPC with a revolver is shot DA. Eventually, if I get the opportunity, I will try an IDPA match with a carry revolver, but I don't trust damaged legs to move quickly and safely without a fall.

The bottom line here is, practice with what you choose, then practice some more! Remember, you not only own every round you fire, but you may find yourself using a firearm that you pickup in the heat of the action that you may not be fully familiar with. It never hurts to cross train!
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I spent about 9 months in MN a few years ago and I chose to do the range qualification for a concealed carry permit with my 686+. I was the only person in the concealed carry class with a revolver.

The instructor was doing one on one with the students so I waited awhile and watched students scatter rounds all over a B-27 target at 5 yards. He kept with them until their achieved a minimum level of proficiency.

When I was up, I fired 7 rounds DA rapid fire and put all 7 rounds in the 10 ring in a nice round 2” group. He looked at me and said “You’ve done this before. I noticed you fired that double action - that’s the way it should be”. He then asked if I was firing .357 Magnum or .38 special. I advised it was my .357 Magnum self defense load. He said “great” slapped me on the shoulder and told me I was done.

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I shoot a lot, I shoot DA revolvers, SA/DA pistols and SA pistols like the 1911 and Browning Hi Power. I’m comfortable carrying any of them. And I’m of the opinion it isn’t what you carry that matters, but rather how well you shoot it, and not just on the range but under stress.
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My father started me out (after learning the rifle (bb/pellet then .22) with 4” and 6” revolvers on paper plates; and I use them to this day. Same thing you said; “if you can hit that paper plate, you have them going where they need to.”
Then when I eventually got that basically down well enough for a newbie, out to 10yds, he drew & colored in a 3” circle with a magic marker.
“Now. Practice getting them in the black part.”

I have shot IPSC with both the M1911 platform and DA revolvers It can be an eye-opener to the uninitiated.

At one time I thought I wanted to hunt a grizzly bear with a handgun. I was using a 4" M29-2 The advice was to be able to keep all your shots in a 9 inch paper plate at 100 yards. I practiced until I could do it single and double action, then life got in the way and never got to go on the hunt.
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It is harder for the body to turn against the direction to the back of the gun hand, than in towards it It is science also that humans take a few 100ths of time to react. Even a step that way, away from the back of their gun hand, instead of toward the bad guys palm facing direction, can buy you that tiny bit of time to catch them shooting where you just were, and getting that first shot on target.
Wait a minute!!! I have read this and re-read this several times and, for the life of me, can't figure out what the heck it means. For example, what does turning my body against the direction to the back of my gun hand mean? Reminds me of that game put out by the Hasbro company called "Twister."

Also, what the heck is "100th of time?" That's kinda like saying "The wind is blowing 90 degrees."

I think if I was in one of those situations where the proverbial "ship hits the sand," and tried to figure out those instructions in my mind, I'd just wind up getting shot to pieces.
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SA shooting at distance has it's place, especially when one may be forced into a situation with a spree killer. It's important to cover as many basis as possible- close range with DA (primary focus), but have a complete portfolio of shooting skills.
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That's likely a really short book, biku!!!

Why anyone replies to Univibe is beyond me - he writes his insanity just to get us arguing. If he knows anything useful he hides that fact with inanity.

The main reason we revolver shooters should stick to double action defensive shooting is to avoid a bad shoot by accidentally pulling a now too easy trigger in single action mode and shooting a perp who is not posing a threat. You will all remember the Miami riots of a generation or two back wherein a Miami police officer accidentally killed a perp after cocking his revolver and then his adrenaline charged trigger finger did it's thing. The town went wild.

50 yard bullseye shooting should be done with a gun designed for 50 yard bullseye shooting. To use a short barreled defensive revolver to do that just to prove your skills doesn't enhance your ability to fight with your revolver. Unless you're in an open field facing a killer with a rifle you can escape from a fifty yard gunfight fairly easily.

As for prosecution, and to use an old phrase, a righteous shoot is a righteous shoot. If you were justified in firing your firearm it doesn't matter if you're in single action, double action, long gun or short. Justified is justified. End legal debate right there.
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The main reason we revolver shooters should stick to double action defensive shooting is to avoid a bad shoot by accidentally pulling a now too easy trigger in single action mode and shooting a perp who is not posing a threat. You will all remember the Miami riots of a generation or two back wherein a Miami police officer accidentally killed a perp after cocking his revolver and then his adrenaline charged trigger finger did it's thing. The town went wild.
In the Dark Ages we had a narcotics sergeant who liked to emphasize his seriousness to dopers being suddenly arrested on warrants during raids by putting his M19 (with 357 Federal 357B 125 grain JHP) close to their faces and cocking the hammer. Well, dopers (oddly enough) often ingest their product and occasionally have distorted perceptions of immortality. One slapped at the sergeant's arm; guess how that ended. A buddy who was there had to clean brain tissue off his glasses.

The sergeant somehow avoided indictment, but did desk work for a few years until retirement. The wrongful death suit ended poorly for our risk managers.

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Many years ago I was a Reserve Police Officer for the local City PD . The department carried revolvers back then . On our first day at firearms training the Range Officer made it a point to threaten us with our life if he saw anybody cock their revolver . Absolutely forbidden . To this day I still shoot DA only with my revolvers . It's a good habit in my opinion .
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Wait a minute!!! I have read this and re-read this several times and, for the life of me, can't figure out what the heck it means. For example, what does turning my body against the direction to the back of my gun hand mean? Reminds me of that game put out by the Hasbro company called "Twister."

Also, what the heck is "100th of time?" That's kinda like saying "The wind is blowing 90 degrees."

I think if I was in one of those situations where the proverbial "ship hits the sand," and tried to figure out those instructions in my mind, I'd just wind up getting shot to pieces.
I had to reread the part about turning away from the gun hand a couple time too, but it makes perfect sense. It also seemed somewhat familiar to me for some reason. Then it dawned on me that I had seen Audie Murphy do it in several of his gun fight scenes throughout his Westerns. As he draws and shoots, he steps to the side where his opponent would have to flex his wrist backwards, an action that makes it harder to pull the trigger and maintain aim. I think in one instance he even explained the action to a younger gunfighter character as part of the script.
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Agree but sciatica limits me to a 340PD loaded w/+P in a pocket holster. My LCP, also pocket carried, fills in as needs dictate.
If disability limited me to revolvers, I'd carry two or three of them, for New York reloads.
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...as you lay down cover fire and tuck & roll under your truck - right?
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1) Just a heads up from a guy that used to do it WAY too much back when. Hitting paper by cocking the hammer and shooting your carry revolver to make nice perfect groups, is not going to cut it in a dirty situation for the most part. Unless you practice pulling the trigger in double action in quick repeat shots at center mass, just sell your double action. Go get a single action with a short barrel; because that is what you are “training” with.
Save the hammer cocking for the fun of shooting groups; and slow aimed hunting fire practice.
2) Prosecutors LOVE the trigger cockers! They spin it into a thing called ‘intent’ . That is not good for you lawful self defense case. I still love trigger cocking at tiny distant things; but don’t think you are preparing for that terrible day I pray never comes for any of you. Learn your trigger and revolver in double action, practice moving safely while firing, and You have practiced two important basics.
3) I wish I remembered the biography this was in! Credit this to one of the old lawmen in the Jordan, Hamer, and Cirillo eras; all of which survived and won several dozens of gunfights between them. It is harder for the body to turn against the direction to the back of the gun hand, than in towards it It is science also that humans take a few 100ths of time to react. Even a step that way, away from the back of their gun hand, instead of toward the bad guys palm facing direction, can buy you that tiny bit of time to catch them shooting where you just were, and getting that first shot on target. Will you remember that last one in the quick and dirty? Dunno, probably not. But if you train it you have a much better chance of just doing it on autopilot.
When you say “trigger cockers “ do you mean “ hammer cockers “?
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I had to reread the part about turning away from the gun hand a couple time too, but it makes perfect sense. It also seemed somewhat familiar to me for some reason. Then it dawned on me that I had seen Audie Murphy do it in several of his gun fight scenes throughout his Westerns. As he draws and shoots, he steps to the side where his opponent would have to flex his wrist backwards, an action that makes it harder to pull the trigger and maintain aim. I think in one instance he even explained the action to a younger gunfighter character as part of the script.
That sideways move is a good one, but you may be out of luck if your attacker is left-handed.
Fortunnately there not that many lefties.
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Till about 30 years ago there were some good arguments against, but here's 6 rounds on top and 18 underneath.

I’ve nothing against semi autos. I carry one about half the time. But in my mind capacity really is one of the *least* important factors in a carry gun for civilians. It’s really and truly not that important. Most civilian shoots (not the police shoots you see more often due to body cams) are under 3 rounds fired. Almost none are 18, and those that are tend to be crime or drug related.
A civilian (unlike a cop) uses their concealed gun as a shield. To protect and then flee. You don’t need large capacity for that in almost any instance.
Conversely a home defense gun should be large capacity, because you’re not going anywhere and not fleeing the situation. Therefore the round count can easily go up.
Cops should carry large capacity since their responsibility is to run towards the danger and neutralize it. That’s a very different scenario requiring a different set of tools, and in that instance, capacity matters a lot.


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I have been shooting IDPA with a revolver for about 15 years, first a M10 then a 625 JM. Once in a great while I will shoot a SA, this year I did because I had more 9mm ammo than the scarce 45ACP.
I have shot DA so much with a revolver I no longer even think of SA shooting. Practice and repitition is the thing that makes the difference. One club where I shoot have a 50 yard bay and will have shots up to about 40 yards. Decided to shoot SA one time to be more accurate, last time I will do that. Jim.
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...as you lay down cover fire and tuck & roll under your truck - right?
That would be beneath my dignity. Move? Take cover? Barbaric!

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Barbarosa: "Always stand still until you're done shooting. Nothin' scares a man more than for you to be standin' still when you should be runnin' like a spotted assed ape."

And the back of the hand thing--move away from the bad guys center no matter which hand he has filled rather than toward his center and thereby closer toward his natural point of aim. Targets are easier to track in front of your center than toward your periphery. Also most handgun shooters stop tracking the target and don't follow through with their swing on a moving target and wind up shooting behind it. For the contentious defensive shooter the changing background environment behind a moving target usually precludes ethical shooting.

The above is my three cents worth and ymmv. Happy New Year everybody! Stay safe and prosper!
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Back in the Dark Ages, we all carried revolvers, and trained DA only. To make sure we never cocked the hammer, the SA sear was stoned off and the hammer spur removed. We trained at a max of 25 yards, and if a longer shot was needed, it too was DA.

To this day I shoot my old M10 better than any striker-fired auto. But to each his own.
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