I am a cat lover and just learned something new THANK YOU

OH,oh,Laser sights, not for me but if it lifts your skirt have at it.

Have to agree with you on both subjects. Have four of the furballs running around here!

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USMC 69-93 Combat Pistol Inst.

They're a lot like tracer rounds. They work both ways.

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That's just somebody talkin.

Same here.

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Old Cop
LEO (Ret.)

Bought the LCP with Laser and removed it so the pistol fit in my ankle holster and the pocket carry holster.
That was all Lou's Police Supply had in stock that day.

Best use when it was attached was to clear the gun, pick an object on the wall/floor, close my eyes and bring the gun up on target.
Then open my eyes, see how close and repeat until on target.
Point and shoot practice.

Red Dots are interesting and tried the 460 with the Trijicon RMR with moderate loads and will try it with the Leupold and stout loads soon. Better warranty.

Only irons and lotsa practice with carry guns.

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As a general rule I do not use any sight that requires batteries on a self defense weapon or survival weapon. Batteries and electronics are just two unnecessary things that can and will fail at the worst possible moment.

I’m ok with a prism sight like the burros 332 on a personal defense carbine as it’ll work with a dead battery or without being switched on as the battery just illuminates a reticle that is always there.

Lasers and red dot sights do not provide a method of aiming when the power is off and on a handgun they just add weight, bulk and complexity that works against the primary purpose of a concealed carry handgun.

I am a firm believer in night sights as they are essential to accurate shooting in low light conditions.

That said, I am also a firm believer in training your self to use the sights even under extreme stress. That’s accomplished by drawing and bringing the handgun up into your line of sight and on target, pausing to align the sights, and then holding the sights on alignment while you pull the trigger. Over time and with practice the grip required to align the sights becomes muscle memory and the front and rear sights will automatically be aligned when you bring the front sight on target. At that point you can draw and shoot extremely fast and the “pause” is a small fraction of a second where you are not aligning the sights but rather confirming the front sight is on target and that you need to shoot.

If you don’t train to use the sights, then having night sights isn’t really a benefit.

I use to laugh at point shooting. Then when I went to Security Force Battalion Schools I was trained a bit differently then old school Bullseye shooting. We were taught that out to 10-15 yards just to catch the front sight in our peripheral vision before we fired. It works and works well. I will even do it with a rifle or shotgun out to about 50 yards. If anyone lives close to Sebastian, Florida will be glad to teach it. We were taught and taught our trainees how to win a gun fight. Never told my people that we were teaching them to kill, but if the other guy died, it was his fault as he started it.

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Our training changed from bulls eye to fighting w/a gun, or point shooting, following my 1974 OIS. I still qualify for LEOSA every summer and close in point shooting is part of the qual.

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I help with the .22 Steel Challenge at the local range every month. After we run the shooters through, then the score keepers and safety guys get to shoot. I still use the point shoot/catch the front sight when I am shooting it. Never miss a 8 inch steel plate at 15 yards..........works for me.

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USMC 69-93 Combat Pistol Inst.

Yeah, opinions, here’s mine, no lasers or dots for me. That said, I have nothing against them, various requirements for different people.

I’ll go one more, that’s about sights themselves. I’m more a fan of ‘bent elbow’ or ‘point shooting’ at ultra-close CC ranges. Maybe there’s time to distinguish the front sight, I’m normally not feeling the need to see ANY sight. Again, this is at the close CC ranges.

From the training that I had and the training that I gave our "instinct point" was shoulder level. When I went to the FBI Firearms Instructors Course (some call it the Rangemasters Course), the Agent running it and I had a long discussion as to where instinct pointing was. I explained that the Marines were trained to come to shoulder level and that was how we shot in combat shooting. Gave him a demonstration and after that we were not given any grief about the instinct point.

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I have Crimson Trace on both of my home defense handguns, love them!!!

Lasers were designed to be used in low light condition, not as the primary sights. So a gun equipped with iron sights and a laser is a great choice.

Its apparent to me some just don't know what they're talking about with all the negative comments about lasers.

So I will address them;

lasers do work in the day light, red has a weak stream, Green is more noticeable. If its day light use your iron sights!!!!!

The lasers I prefer has an on/off activated by ones grip. It's a small button on the grip. There is no steady stream of light. when you need the laser use your finger to activate it.

Bad guys don't stand still in a self-defense situation, and nether should you!! FYI bad guys move to cover or concealment too. With a laser you can stay on a moving target. If you are moving to cover (and you should) you can easily stay on target. In low light conditions, good luck with your black iron sights tracking a moving target while scared half to death and your heart is racing about a million beat a minute!

If your strong hand/arm becomes disabled you can switch to your week hand/arm and still hit where your aiming with a laser. do that with your black iron sights!

Someone mentioned they get "tunnel vision" with a laser. I call big time BS on that!

In low light conditions if you get blinded by a light or someone turns on a light then turns it off you have lost your night vision or about 15-30 seconds. With a laser your eyes can easily refocus and your still in the fight! good luck with your black iron sights.

If you need glasses to see and they get knocked off or you dont have them, good luck with your black iron sights. With lasers, no problem seeing the red or green stream with poor vision.

Someone mentioned you give your position away when using a laser. FYI the bad guys already knows your there, now he/she knows your armed and there is a red dot in their chest.

ive had laser from laser lyte which is no longer available on my 1st gen mp 40 never had any problem and it has two settings one is a lighted rear sight and the other is full laser. Very useful in low light situtations, but my opinion is whatever makes you feel comfrotable do what you want. Bought already mounted new in 2011 also has automatic shut off so battery life is not an issue