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Old 01-17-2022, 09:31 PM
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Anybody ever experience a failure to fire on your self defense pistol or what have you due to cold weather? Something often not looked at much. Ive never had one happen but I dont shoot often in cold weather in fact I never get to go to any outdoor ranges. Thanks for the input in advance!
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Old 01-17-2022, 09:47 PM
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Over lubrication can cause a handgun to malfunction.
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Old 01-17-2022, 09:52 PM
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Years ago, a friend and I were duck and goose hunting along the South Platte. It was so cold, the river froze and overflowed.

My buddy was using a Remington 1100. The action was noticeably slowed down so that it wouldnít eject the fired shell. Working it by hand the action felt like it was gummed up.

We headed back to the hotel, left the guns in the room and went to dinner. When we got back, we set to cleaning his gun only to discover that the gunís action functioned normally.

The gun had thawed out !
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Old 01-17-2022, 09:54 PM
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Due to oil in my bolt on an early Browning Stainless Stalker I lost a nice shot on a deer in a cold snow storm while stand hunting. Pulled trigger and striker SLOWLY went forward but did not dent primer. Took bolt apart cleaned and left dry the bolt worked fine.
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Old 01-17-2022, 10:05 PM
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I would guess with prolonged exposure to cold weather and a lubricant that congeals/thickens in such conditions it may be an issue. With a self-defense gun carried against the body, not so much.
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Old 01-18-2022, 07:04 AM
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Years ago I read an article about how during the Battle of Stalingrad the German Mausers jammed up in the cold because of the balistol they used and the Russian rifles worked better because they cut the oil with diesel fuel.
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Old 01-18-2022, 08:07 AM
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I was hunting in an ice storm (okay sometimes I'm dumber than a sack of cat food) and had my sidearm froze inside the holster an the hole shebang had to hung by the wood stove to thaw out be for the gun could be taken out and cleaned. Dose that count?
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Old 01-18-2022, 08:09 AM
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This is a perfect case scenario where a product like Remoil shines! Extremely thin, non gumming and mostly evaporated after application but leaves protection and lubrication for a short while. While thicker and better property oils work better in normal conditions they can severely effect functioning in very cold weather.

In super cold environments one could actually make the case for a dry gun!
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Old 01-18-2022, 08:44 AM
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I recall stories of our own soldiers and Marines dealing with the same issues during the Korean War - I suspect the battle of "Frozen Chosin" was not named for extreme heat.
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Project Farm has an interesting vid on You Tube where he tests various gun lubes, one of which is freezing them for 12 hours. You might want to go over there, check it out. The results might surprise you. They did me.
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Old 01-18-2022, 09:23 AM
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I recall stories of our own soldiers and Marines dealing with the same issues during the Korean War - I suspect the battle of "Frozen Chosin" was not named for extreme heat.
Yes. If you read about this, the Marines ran their guns dry. To unfreeze sometimes they urinated on them. Very harsh conditions.

Artillery pieces were also very slow to go back into battery after firing off a shell.
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Yes. Have had 1911's slow down during range time in very cold weather. Worked just fine initially, but the slide began to slow down the longer it was exposed to the cold. I started getting failures to eject. Forgot I had dabbed some grease on the rails of that high mileage Colt during warmer weather.
If you use a light full synthetic grease on your CCW doubt you will have a problem, unless you have a long gun fight.



The courage, grit and determination shown at The Battle of Chosin Reservoir was incredible. Brutal, brutal conditions.
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Old 02-01-2022, 04:18 AM
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Yes. Have had 1911's slow down during range time in very cold weather. Worked just fine initially, but the slide began to slow down the longer it was exposed to the cold. I started getting failures to eject. Forgot I had dabbed some grease on the rails of that high mileage Colt during warmer weather.
If you use a light full synthetic grease on your CCW doubt you will have a problem, unless you have a long gun fight.



The courage, grit and determination shown at The Battle of Chosin Reservoir was incredible. Brutal, brutal conditions.
Interesting so you think grease is a better option in cold weather? Im getting one extreme spectrum to the other here. One guy said barely to almost dry light oil? WHo knows! All I can say is this I wont be in Stalingrad EVER! My days in the military or over I already served king and country. I guess those kids better learn how to not be shy while pissing in public on there guns...
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Old 02-01-2022, 08:27 AM
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I shoot in a winter trap league and it can get pretty cold sometimes, anyway, I use very little oil (3in1) on my Beretta 391. to much oil will slow most of the moving parts and can cause malfunctions.
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On another forum, there is a member that is a hunter from Greenland, who chimed in when this same subject came up. He cleans, lubes, then wipes off the lube, leaving a barely discernable film of lubricant.

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Many years ago when I was tougher (and dumber) a friend and I were rabbit hunting and it was snowing. I had a bolt action repeater .22 and he had a single barrel shotgun with a rebounding hammer. The extractor froze on my rifle and wouldn't eject and ice froze between the hammer and firing pin on his gun and the hammer couldn't hit the firing pin. Being young it was a good day to hunt. Now I stay where it's 72 deg. and dry. Larry
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Old 02-01-2022, 10:43 AM
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dandyrandy I spent many a sub zero night outside when there wasn't a mad dog on the street. Was comforting to have a S&W J frame warmly tucked in a shoulder holster under my jacket.
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Old 02-01-2022, 11:54 AM
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Too much grease can cause a malfunction of the action in very cold weather. If you need grease use TW25b since it works way down to -90 F. I use it on my non-Glock semi-autos on the slide rails. The US Special forces uses it too.

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Old 02-01-2022, 12:00 PM
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Grease is normally not recommended for extreme cold. As others have posted thin oil, apply and then wipe with dry cloth so just the barest film is left.

I read gunners on the old B-17 and B-24s used powdered graphite instead of oil because of the extreme cold
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All semi-auto long guns become single shots in really cold weather, I have had & seen pump shotguns become very hard to cycle if it is cold enough.
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Powered graphite and powered Teflon are my goto for cold weather. Right now I'm testing some Lucas gun oil on a hard to work bolt action rifle. On and off with a wipe that was wetted with just a drop or two and use that to lube the parts of the bolt. So far good will be testing later this week when the temp gets down to minus numbers again.
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I remember reading years ago about an article that talked about this very thing. It was from a guy in Montana who's gun wouldn't fire during hunting season (bolt action). He took the bolt apart, cleaned all the oil out and left it totally dry. Nothing to hold up the firing pin in the cold weather. Of course, I'm sure he oiled it again after hunting season...

As far as Remoil goes the newer stuff, in the small plastic bottle, seems pretty thick to me. I remember the older Remoil ran out almost like water. This newer "version" seems to be just regular oil relabeled. I should try the stuff in the can as I've heard from some that it acts more like the old Remoil from the bottles...
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Nope , in 50 years of carrying I have never had my revolver fail due to cold weather . Can't remember the 1911 I have used since 1972 ever having an issue as long as it was clean and well fed . Now days I use the red Lucas oil on everything . Slicker than snot and stays in place well . The old blue stuff they started with was just about as good , never had any issues while using it either . Both are machinegun tested and proven. Makes an M4 think it's an AK !
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