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Old 05-11-2015, 07:44 AM
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Many may say that my lack of confidence in semi-auto
pistols is due to my being of the old school and probably some what goofy, both of those allegations might have value.
However, with the myriad of problems that many semi-autos encounter regularly that causes immediate disablement, what successful gambler that relies upon playing the odds will risk their life on a gun that has experienced a fail to fire in the past?

The first time a thief steals is the hardest, the first time a wife or husband cheats is also the hardest but in both situations
each time thereafter become incrementally easier, therefore,
if a semi-auto fails to fire or eject the first time, the odds on it happening again are greatly increased.

In view of the fore mentioned, the odds tell you when it comes to betting your life upon it, carry a REVOLVER!

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.....or two! The only time I feel under gunned is when the thought, repeat thought, of a semi wielding BG or BG(s) enter my mind. Odds? Really slim where I am and frequent. Failures on my Colt Defender in 5 months? A few. Operater error? Maybe. Doubt cast on it? A little. Failures on my J-frame in 22 years? Zero. Doubt cast on it? Zero also! What gets carried? My j-frame. (Subject to change)

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I was a LEO for 30.5 years and have been CCW for almost forty (40) years. I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED A NON-INTENTIONAL FAIL TO FIRE OR ANY OTHER PROBLEM THAT CAUSED THE GUN IN MY HAND TO BE USELESS. CCW time about equally divided between a revolver and a semi-auto.

Do the math; that's a lot of shooting. And though I currently CCW a M60 or M642, that is based solely on ease of concealment.

IMHO, the likelihood of an encounter that neccessitates use of a CCW concurrent with that gun's inoperability is infinitesimally small.

Thus I won't base my decision vis-a-vis revolver or gun on my prediction it won't work when/if needed.

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I think you will find a lot of revolver advocates here. I'm in the revolver camp for SD but I'm poor so I got a little plastic semi. One day a J frame may jump out at me.
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My only failures to function were both with revolvers. My today's autoloaders are fantastic. The revolver failures were both S&W products.
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This could well become one of those "epic" threads.

First of all I am, through and through, a revolver guy. I love them. all of my woods guns, range guns and collector guns are revolvers. My Home Defense guns are all revolvers. In my years as a LEO the only duty weapon I ever carried was a Model 19. However my EDC is a auto, Walther PPK.

"Why" you may ask. Well, there are three basic reasons. Firstly, in no particular order, because of ease of concealment. In a Galco horse hide holster I can very easily slip it into my jeans pocket, shorts pocket, coat pocket. I can easily carry it IWB or OWB. It is a little heavier than some of the others on the market but it is small enough and thin enough to be very easy to carry.

Secondly, dependability. I have put, I can't even guess how many, hundreds and hundreds of rounds through my little PPK. Mostly, I shoot what I carry which is Buffalo Bore ammo. In all the time I have owned it I have never had a failure of any kind.

Third, at 20 yards I can drive tack with this little thing. I shoot it and practice enough with it to be extremely confident that, if need be, I can ruin a BG's day with it.

I think my track record of zero failures is the result of two things. 1) It is a very good quality gun. 2) I am anal about properly cleaning and maintaining it. Even if I go a bit of time without shooting it I field strip it, clean it and lightly oil it about once a month.

Result? A very dependable gun that I can shoot very well and have full confidence it.

All that said, I'm still, at heart, a revolver guy.

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Many may say that my lack of confidence in semi-auto
pistols is due to my being of the old school and probably some what goofy, both of those allegations might have value.
However, with the myriad of problems that many semi-autos encounter regularly that causes immediate disablement, what successful gambler that relies upon playing the odds will risk their life on a gun that has experienced a fail to fire in the past?

The first time a thief steals is the hardest, the first time a wife or husband cheats is also the hardest but in both situations
each time thereafter become incrementally easier, therefore,
if a semi-auto fails to fire or eject the first time, the odds on it happening again are greatly increased.

In view of the fore mentioned, the odds tell you when it comes to betting your life upon it, carry a REVOLVER!

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I was a LEO for 30.5 years and have been CCW for almost forty (40) years. I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED A NON-INTENTIONAL FAIL TO FIRE OR ANY OTHER PROBLEM THAT CAUSED THE GUN IN MY HAND TO BE USELESS. CCW time about equally divided between a revolver and a semi-auto.

Do the math; that's a lot of shooting. And though I currently CCW a M60 or M642, that is based solely on ease of concealment.

IMHO, the likelihood of an encounter that neccessitates use of a CCW concurrent with that gun's inoperability is infinitesimally small.

Thus I won't base my decision vis-a-vis revolver or gun on my prediction it won't work when/if needed.

Be safe.
I am not an LEO. I have been shooting for about fifty years. I have had a few failures to function adequately for defensive purposes, and I have seen some failures to function adequately for defensive purposes. A few have been with revolvers, more have been with autoloaders.

The likelihood of an encounter that requires my weapon is very small, yet I go to the trouble of carrying the weapon. It's a nuisance, often, but I still consider it worthwhile. I figure I might as well carry one that I know will work. I have a few autos that have never malfunctioned. I have a LOT of revolvers that have never malfunctioned.

I don't think I need to explain what I carry. Most folks can figure out for themselves what they should carry, and if I happen to disagree, that's OK.
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For the most part, a novice shooter should start off with a revolver that is at least with a three inch barrel and a caliber in the range of .38 spl or 357 magnum. I encourage my students to start with a .22 revolver, preferably, single action to improve on the trigger control and sight alignment. Revolvers are basically trouble free and if the round does not shoot, you pull the trigger again for the next round. They are simple and work with the right ammo and index properly. However, semi autos are another bag or worms. Semi Autos have their problems with jams due to shooter induced, ammo, mags, extractors, limp wrists, lighter materials for more recoil and so one. The steel semi autos are much better in the recoil area but people want the light compact guns in either revolvers and semi-autos for that easy to hide method. They usually shoot them for a short period of time due to heavy recoil and the guns sit in their draws or night stands and become draw queens. Don't get me wrong, I started with revolvers way back when I was in law enforcement and still have them for my classes. I teach both depending on the experience of the student. Because of my experience and practice, I carry a Springfield XD .40 cal and practice every day dry firing and range practice at least once a month. That gun has never failed me and I have shot 3000 rounds in a weekend advance classes without a failure. The secret is cleaning the gun after you shoot it. My Springfield is at least eight years old and still looks new and I trust the gun with my life and inspect it weekly for any defects that might be a problem down the road. I have spare parts and the only thing I replaced is a roll pin for the striker assembly. That pin is most common to break dry firing even with a dummy round in the chamber. It is up to the individual's experience whether young or elderly for the caliber to carry. What is good for one person may not be good for another.

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This could well become one of those "epic" threads.

In my years as a LEO the only duty weapon I ever carried was a Model 19. However my EDC is a auto, Walther PPK.

"Why" you may ask. Well, there are three basic reasons. Firstly, in no particular order, because of ease of concealment. In a Galco horse hide holster I can very easily slip it into my jeans pocket, shorts pocket, coat pocket. I can easily carry it IWB or OWB. It is a little heavier than some of the others on the market but it is small enough and thin enough to be very easy to carry.

Secondly, dependability.

Third, at 20 years I can drive tack with this little thing. I shoot it and practice enough with it to be extremely confident that, if need be, I can ruin a BG's day with it.

I think my track record of zero failures is the result of two things. 1) It is a very good quality gun. 2) I am anal about properly cleaning and maintaining it. Even if I go a bit of time without shooting it I field strip it, clean it and lightly oil it about once a month.

Result? A very dependable gun that I can shoot very well and have full confidence it.

All that said, I'm still, at heart, a revolver guy.

Bob
Hmmm. I own a ppk and while it is well made, and I have about a thousand rounds through it, it has jammed on occasion. I don't know if yours is a .380 but in .32 ball ammo and only ball ammo, Winchester white 71 grain is pretty much all you can count on. You had me at Model 19.
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I own five semis in four differents makes and not one has failed to function 100%. Yeah, I'd bet my life on them.
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"each time thereafter become incrementally easier, therefore,
if a semi-auto fails to fire or eject the first time, the odds on it happening again are greatly increased."

Lazy-B, I can't agree with that at all. Not meaning to sound disrespectful, it borders on superstition. Starting in the '70s and going through the '90s I was issued three Sig 226s, three Sig 228s, and three Sig 229s. I also bought at least one of each for a personal gun. I can't even estimate how many rounds I fired through them. One 228 and one 229 were shot so loose (and carried in adverse environments) they had to be retired, but were accurate and reliable to the last round.

Throw in a mix of 220s and a 239, and the flawless round count only goes up.

I've personally owned 13 Colt 1911s in various configurations. I had a single accidental discharge in the mid-70s that I blamed on the gun, but thereafter it never missed a beat, even with my hand-hacked hand loads. For YEARS! Not even the magazines.
Colt 1911s were my carry guns until the late 70s when we got Sigs.

S&W 4516, 4006, 6906, 915, 745, various iterations of the 39, and more recently a pair of S&W 1911s and two M&Ps, one 9mm, the other 357Sig, all functioned without a miss.

Our training officers were daemons and made scenarios intended to cause operator error and exploit any weakness in the gun. In the course of training I did see a couple people inadvertently eject a magazine, or fail to fully seat one. This is during intense training under great stress.

As to failures, I did see a magazine floor plate pop off, scattering the rounds in the dust, giving me incentive to always carry a spare.

Occasional failures to feed, fire, or eject, were always operator error or ammo problems. I did see a couple guns fail to go into battery when the slide was released, but those were guns being used intensely in training. Hit the back of the slide, worked fine.

A lot is made of the "limp wrist" problem, and 1911s get the wheelbarrow share of the blame. I have taken all of my Colts, and those of others, held them upside-down pulling the trigger with my little finger and have NEVER had it happen.

I also went through several Beretta 92s that never coughed. One of our sons was professional military, now reserves, and went to the desert four times, each time issued a Beretta. He said they were poorly maintained and gun handling was terrible, but not one ever missed a beat. He has owned five.

I have competed in IPSC and IDPA for years and seen quite a few autos fail. In ALL cases these were guns "optimized" or openly modified to be race guns. Having raced cars for years I know that when you build anything to run at the limit, sometimes it goes over. Most recently, at an IPSC match I saw a guy with a whizz-bang hi-cap blaster with doo-dads hanging off its nose, slots and holes in the slide, a trigger with a woodpecker problem, sights even an elephant could use, and a funnel on the bottom for feeding eight-inch shells. He couldn't keep it running to the end of a single stage.
My M&P Pro? Never missed a beat, and I shot it with either hand.

I think, with nothing to back it up, that most of the complaints come from the early days of autos when there were problems, and from competition guns. However, I knew people since 1972 who used Browning Hi-Powers, and not one ever said they had a failure.

Double feed? Failure to feed? Failure to extract? Sure, it happens. But not on sound, well-maintained guns. Lubrication is critical. A gunsmith on the Sig forum has a guide for lubrication worth reading. BUT, *I* have used autos with nothing to lube the slide but dust, and they worked fine.

You'll see many people in these forums talk about springs. Good springs are critical, but before you replace one, do your research and then work it out at the range before you put it in your holster.

Ammo is another potential problem. If a gun is not working with reloads, try more than one quality commercial brand through it. ALL autos were made for SAAMI standard pressure rounds. The popularity of +P and +P+ means problems will manifest. Early 1911s are said to have problems with hollow-point bullets. In 1972 I had a military-issued 1911 (probably made during WWII and rebuilt with military parts) and a Colt commercial Series 70. I bought several boxes of Super Vel, which had a hollow point that looked like a railroad tunnel. All fed fine.

A few years ago one of the gun writers delved into the "mysteries" of the 1911 and why all the modifications are so popular. He pointed out that competitors wanted to shave thousandths of a second off their times and did things such as the beaver tail, speed bump, lightened slides, and slicked up actions. Each one aggravated some other feature of the gun that was not a problem for us every-day shooters. The early S&W 1911Sc (pre-E) had a problem where normal hands using normal grips did not depress that speed bump enough to disengage the safety. Competitors who clamped down with 400 pounds of force had no problems. We pansy-hands did.

I'm fine with revolvers, but they have an undeserved reputation for reliability compared to autos.
I had a Vaquero that would bind up without warning, locking with the hammer half back. It went to gunsmiths and to the factory without resolution. Dumped it.

Had a Colt, Python I think, that every so often locked with the hammer not quite to fully aft and so could not be fired double-action.
Had an Anaconda that looked as though it had been dragged behind a truck for few thousand miles. Pulling the trigger full aft would not release the hammer. Sent it to Colt for rebuild. They did a fabulous job for a very reasonable price, even replacing the barrel.

I have ragged on Taurus guns a lot and still have a bad taste in my mouth for them. HOWEVER, you'll find a lot of people on this forum who have had no problems. I still have a PT92C

In terms of flat-out failures, I've had more revolvers do that, than autos.

Timing is a big issue, it seems. I don't know what the heck people do with their guns, but I received several .357-Mag revolvers that shaved lead like cheese slicers. One Colt Trooper actually rattled when shaken.

A 329 had to go back to the factory twice. After only a few hundred rounds, the yoke broke. Then, I sent it to Cylinder and Slide for some modifications and they said they wouldn't touch it until S&W replaced the hand and retimed it.

I bought a S&W 327TRR8. Before I fired it I handed it to one of our sons, a LEO. He grabbed it by the barrel, said "Heh," and showed me that it wiggled in the frame. Back to S&W, who replaced the entire gun.

This is not a whine about revolvers. I've had a number and still do. They remain my first choice for backpacking and day hiking. Just as for autos, if they are quality brands in good condition and lubricated correctly, they are fine and I relied and rely on them often.

Just a suggestion: if you have actual problems with an auto (not reacting to rumors or claims), have it checked by a QUALIFIED person, and then find an instructor who is familiar with it, to evaluate what you're doing.
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Lol ok. That is such an over simplified statement I don't know where to even start.

Failed why?
Not every gun is made equal. Not revolvers and not semi autos. So why did it fail?
Bad reloads?
Bad batch of ammo?
Cheap aftermarket mags?
Cheaply made gun?
User error?
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Yeah, if they're ordered to, or even know the difference. Of course, that may be only a moot point, because nowadays there a LOT of very reliable autoloaders.
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I don't know about "epic", but what it's already turned into is another of those "Revolver vs. Semi-Auto" threads that we all know and love.

So without further ado, let me get a few of my generic comments in here, then I'll be on my way:

1. There are advantages and disadvantages to both types of guns. (Surprise!)

2. If you get a misfire with a revolver, just pull the trigger again. No taking time and both hands to clear it.

3. Revolvers can use more powerful loads.

4. Semi-autos usually hold more rounds than revolvers.

5. You see more action heroes using semis than revolvers.

6. Having a semi-auto gives you more chances to complain about FTFs, FTEs, stovepipes, etc. when you're commenting on gun forums.

That's enough for now, I think. Y'all excuse me...I'm headin' off to contribute to the latest Bear Gun Thread now.
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Failure rate for most guns is really small. Until you have numbers to show failure rates by gun, you are just guessing, based on reports on the internet-which is the WAG method. When I point out that my MP has had one FTF in over a thousand, it means nothing. Was it the gun, the ammo, me? Who knows. Carry what you like and can use. If its' concealed, I will never know.
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The best gun is the gun you have.

One thing I see more than defective guns or gun failures are defective shooters. Myself included.
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Sounds like you have had your fair share of romantic disappointments but please don't blame them on semi-autos and your possible gambling addiction. Nevermind your dog still loves you
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The first time a thief steals is the hardest, the first time a wife or husband cheats is also the hardest but in both situations
each time thereafter become incrementally easier, therefore,
if a semi-auto fails to fire or eject the first time, the odds on it happening again are greatly increased.


In view of the fore mentioned, the odds tell you when it comes to betting your life upon it, carry a REVOLVER!

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Hmmm. I own a ppk and while it is well made, and I have about a thousand rounds through it, it has jammed on occasion. I don't know if yours is a .380 but in .32 ball ammo and only ball ammo, Winchester white 71 grain is pretty much all you can count on. You had me at Model 19.
Mine is a .380, Stainless. Handles Buffalo Bore +P with no problem. About twice a year I check every part for any signs of stress or weakness. So far, not even a scratch.

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I prefer revolvers but both of my Glocks have been flawless. I haven't cleaned my G17 on purpose to prove a reliability point going on 5500 rounds and haven't had a single failure.
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The only tiny .380 that has been failure free is my M&P purchased in Feb. so I have no problem carrying it from time to time. Normal EDC is either a 442 or M38 flat latch b/c that's my comfort level. My Gen II Glock 23 did fail me at the range. Since it was my duty gun the range officer at my former agency completely rebuilt it from the inside out. He said all the duty guns get close inspection annually since things do wear out. My department has since replaced the Gen II Glock pistols w/Gen III and IV Model 23 & 22.
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I've studied this for many years... countless hours... and have found that the mathematical likelihood of an autoloader failing to cycle properly in the hands of a novice is 642 times greater than with a revolver. With experienced shooters who know their gun, odds are pretty close to even.
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I've studied this for many years... countless hours... and have found that the mathematical likelihood of an autoloader failing to cycle properly in the hands of a novice is 642 times greater than with a revolver. With experienced shooters who know their gun, odds are pretty close to even.
Are you rounding off or is that the actual figure
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I've studied this for many years...
How many years are "many"?

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... countless hours...
That's a lot of hours. I bet Stephen Hawking could tell us how many hours are "countless". Of course, none of us would have a clue as to what he's talkin' about, but still...

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...the mathematical likelihood of an autoloader failing to cycle properly in the hands of a novice is 642 times greater than with a revolver.
I came up with 651, but I'm probably using a different formula than you are.


Oh, well, perhaps we can continue the debate another day. It's too pretty a day to be inside pounding on a keyboard...I'm heading out to the shooting range...
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Many may say that my lack of confidence in semi-auto
pistols is due to my being of the old school and probably some what goofy, both of those allegations might have value.
However, with the myriad of problems that many semi-autos encounter regularly that causes immediate disablement, what successful gambler that relies upon playing the odds will risk their life on a gun that has experienced a fail to fire in the past?

The first time a thief steals is the hardest, the first time a wife or husband cheats is also the hardest but in both situations
each time thereafter become incrementally easier, therefore,
if a semi-auto fails to fire or eject the first time, the odds on it happening again are greatly increased.

In view of the fore mentioned, the odds tell you when it comes to betting your life upon it, carry a REVOLVER!

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You're kidding with this aren't you? Perhaps you wished to start another wild opinion discussion?

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Tell you what, I have an EDC 6906 that I will bet $100 I can draw and empty the 12 Fed HST's. I'll pay $100 on every failure. Bring lots of money. joe
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I've had more revolvers "fail" to function/fire normally, and require repair in order to restore normal function, than I've had modern semiauto pistols fail and require repair.

I can understand if some individual finds it comforting to only use their particular experience with some specific firearms as the basis for their opinions ... but I've been around firearms (owner and LE carrier/user), and have served as a firearms instructor and armorer, long enough to have realized that small individual samplings of things may not mean all that much in the bigger picture.

FWIW, as an armorer I've had to make corrections and repairs to a fair number of good quality firearms which experienced some problem or other at some point (even new). After repair the firearms functioned normally, as designed and intended.

I've become quite confident in using a repaired firearm once it demonstrates normal functioning after a correction or repair.

I realize that some folks limit their opinions and feelings of "confidence" to just what they may have personally experienced, so I've become increasingly inclined to try and "repair" the confidence of an issued user or owner of a firearm that has to be carried for personal protection.

While a normal factory recommendation to an armorer may be to test-fire to check for normal function after a repair with just 1-2 magazine loads, or a normal "duty load-out" (meaning the number of magazines normally carried on a gun belt), I try to let the user/owner shoot more than that, ammunition availability permitting.

That's usually after I've already shot the repaired gun, or had another armorer or instructor shoot it, and satisfied myself that it's operating in an optimal manner.

Several years ago I started making sure I reassured issued users of repaired duty weapons that I only returned a repaired gun back to service if it was working such that I was confident and prepared to carry it myself. I've even offered to trade weapons with an occasional issued user, if they thought my weapon was somehow "better" because I was carrying it. (As a matter of fact, I've actually exchanged issued weapons with a couple of guys who wanted whatever I was carrying at the time, and handled the issued/inventory paperwork, arranged for qualification, etc. )
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Yeah, not for nuthin', but then why do most (if not all) LE agencies in America carry semi-autos as their duty carry pieces?

I'm a revolver fan and often carry a J frame, but I have many bottom feeders with well over a thousand rounds with no issues. I don't feel like the "next round my be the one". All due respect to the o p, but that's just ridiculous!
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Uh, it's you're not your.

Your = Belongs to you. "It's your right to start a pointless and divisive thread."
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Yore = A time long past. "In the days of yore people needed six chambers to do the job of one."

If you're happy with your boat anchor, invented in the days of yore, I'm happy for you.
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That said, I carry a revolver every day. Sometimes I carry two. 5 shot J-frames.

But when I go somewhere that I think could be a trouble spot, I don't mean some bad place but some target place, like a mall, or church or synagogue, I consider switching to a high capacity 9mm. I don't worry about failure. If I don't fail my guns don't fail. I don't carry cheap guns and if it's a S&W, or a Beretta, or a Browning, or a SIG, well, I'll bet my life on it.
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Uh, it's you're not your.

Your = Belongs to you. "It's your right to start a pointless and divisive thread."
You're = You are. "You're certain of you opinion?"
Yore = A time long past. "In the days of yore people needed six chambers to do the job of one."

If you're happy with your boat anchor, invented in the days of yore, I'm happy for you.
Thanks for that. It actually took a little longer than I thought for somebody to point it out, but this forum has way fewer tools than most, so I shouldn't be surprised it took a while. Completely unnecessary post, by the way.

I rotate back and forth between revolver and semi. My nightstand gun is a revolver, several of my EDC guns are semi's, I won't keep a gun that I don't think will fire, so the reliability thing is not my circus, not my monkeys.
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I have had two guns that would not fire when removed factory fresh from their shipping boxes. Both were Colts. One was a Detective Special (revolver) and the other was a Series 80 Government Model (semi auto). I would conclude, therefore, that BOTH types of handgun are inherently unreliable and that I should carry a knife instead. After all, it never runs empty and a good one will work every time. All that old stuff about bringing a knife to a gunfight is just a bunch of hooey anyway!
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I trust my life on my project norinco 1911a1 in 45acp that I built. I would Walk were the devil lives and fear no evil. I would trust any revolver or pistol if I couldn't trust them with my life why would I own them.
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Yore = A time long past. "In the days of yore people needed six chambers to do the job of one."
Well, down here in the South, "yore" is also a common and often used form of possessive pronoun.

Example: "Is that yore dawg?"
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I carry an LCP, LCR or G26. They have ALL been 100% reliable. The G26 has the edge for power, capacity and in my hands, accuracy.

It gets the most carry time.

I got rid of my Springfield Mil Spec 1911 because I could not get 100 rounds through it without a stovepipe.

My Home Defense gun is my 686.
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This is incorrect. The correct form is "Dat yore dawg?"
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Still wrong here: "Izzat yore dawg?"
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I carry an LCP, LCR or G26. They have ALL been 100% reliable. The G26 has the edge for power, capacity and in my hands, accuracy.

It gets the most carry time.

I got rid of my Springfield Mil Spec 1911 because I could not get 100 rounds through it without a stovepipe.

My Home Defense gun is my 686.
I swap your LCP for my Kel Tec's, and my HD gun varies like the wind, and includes a Springfield 1911 that runs like a Swiss Watch. My HD guns run from one end to the other. In the night stand safe right now is a 64-2 two inch, but that'll change in a month. Love my .22 WMR LCR, and my G26 is my favorite truck gun. Sounds like we're together at least in spirit.
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revolvers are very reliable. I love my wheel guns.

But all my auto loaders are VERY reliable too. Heckler & Koch P7, Walther PPK/s, Makarov PM. Seeing a FTF or FTE in a HK P7 is almost as rare as the phoenix.

Revolvers are reliable in different ways over autos, SOME autos are more reliable than revolvers in different ways. For example: If you drop a revolver and bend the crane/yoke, you might have some REAL problems when you go to shoot it. Drop a P7 (ouch), and odds are, it'll still be just fine.

Still in IDEAL conditions, the revolver will probably be more reliable than the auto.
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Well I suppose grammar dissection is a change from a debate that will never, ever, ever conclude.
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.44 Magnum, because shooting twice is just plain silly

There are no real good choices for autos in hand cannon calibers besides Desert Eagle, AMT and wierd stuff like LAR.......so when I need hip artillery like .357, .44 and .454 I'll stay with my wheelguns.
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