I know this is an open forum but I was wandering if any of you still carry when you see the sign that says "No Conceal Carry Allowed" but yes or no do you carry anyway? What would you do if something happens and your not suppose to be armed?

Heavens no.

Yes and no.
I carry in posted private businesses since it is not a criminal offense to do so. If made, all they can do is ask you to leave and charge you with trespassing if you refuse to leave ( not sure why one would hang around in that case ).

I do not carry in places where it is prohibited by law though and try to avoid going in such places if at all possible.

Why would I want to do business with a company that would not allow me the right to defend myself? No, I take my business elsewhere. I may go in, unarmed, long enough to hand them a card:

Front:


Back:


Money talks, and we've had pretty good success here in Missouri getting a lot of private business owners to take those signs down.

As far as carrying into prohibited places (post offices, police offices, government buildings, etc), no. I don't carry into those places.

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NRA Pistol,PPITH,PPOTH&TASER

Cshoff;

I love your card. With your permission, would you mind if I copied the idea. Our state legislature just passed a law allowing concealed carry into restaurants and bars that serve alcohol as long as they do not drink. The business establishments have the option of banning handguns if they wish.

This would be great for those who don't want my business!

That is a cool card. Everyone should have something like that to pass out to businesses that post these signs. This would be great education to those who know nothing of firearms except what people tell thems. Most often the people who post these signs know nothing of firearms and assume everyone doesn't want anything to do with them. The general public has know idea how many people carry these days because we conceal well and were not the bad guy's. If more people were educated about firearms maybe so many wouldn't be antigun happy and would see that guns don't need to be taken away but people just need to be educated about guns. Guns aren't bad just some people make them seem bad.

Thanks guys. Those cards are NOT copyrighted. They are provided courtesy of Tim Oliver's Learn To Carry.Com. Here is his the web address to the page that contains all 30 styles: http://learntocarry.com/nogunsnomoney/

The back of the cards will likely require some slight modifications to be appropriate for use in states other than Missouri, but the front should be good to go. They are a good way to respectfully make a point and letting businesses know that CCW holders will not support those who would infringe upon our 2nd Amendment rights.

I usually hand out about 10 or so cards to each of my CCW class students.

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NRA Pistol,PPITH,PPOTH&TASER

I've seen you post those cards before, cshoff and love them. The only posted business I have come across in my area is the electric company. Aside from generating my own power, there is no way to avoid doing business with them. Fortunately, I do not have many occasions where I need to go into their office.

Yeah, you're kinda stuck with the electric company, I suppose. I guess you could always get a big wheel and a whole mess of hamsters.

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NRA Pistol,PPITH,PPOTH&TASER

I'll keep that in mind . It may become necessary if the cap and trade bill passes the senate.

Perhaps we could just ask for a "hand ou"........oh, I mean a "bail ou"............oops, I mean a "stimulus package". Yeah, that's it. "Stimulus".............

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NRA Pistol,PPITH,PPOTH&TASER

Yeah ......... that's it lol.

Anyone with the least bit of common sense could easily determine that an armed, law abiding citizen is not a threat to anyone no matter where they happen to be. It's the ones that have no regard for the law that are the problem.

Unfortunately, common sense is not a strong trait amongst most politicians and a pretty high percentage of average people. These people can't see that criminals will disregard their laws, no matter how many they make.

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NRA Pistol,PPITH,PPOTH&TASER

Agreed. I preach those facts often. Occasionally, someone pauses, scratches their head and sees the light. Laws only impose punishment for breaking them and do not keep those inclined to break them from doing so.

I had'nt seen one in a long time till last month,at a GUN SHOW. So I ask the guy taking money who also was the promoter what the deal was. He proceeds to tell me about three "accidents" at previous shows (not his)Two were from security guards and the other was from one of the vendors!Since I had driven an hour and a half to get there I went in anyway, but I told him I would never come to one of his shows again.He thought I was being unreasonable because it was "for my safety".FYI the show was in St.Cloud MN.
samIam

I wouldn't carry onto a military base, Federal property, or anywhere that the penalty involves real prison time. Elsewhere... Eh. Depends on state law and penalties. With a clean record, at worst you risk getting yelled at/lectured, and perhaps a fine in many cases. I can live with that.

As to having to use a firearm in an area that was posted off limits, well.... if the DA wants to press some sort of misdemeanor charge, I can live with that. I'll pay my fine and even go pick up trash by the side of the road/do my community service. Beats being dead.

+1!!!!

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+1000 ....... more or less what I meant in my first post on this thread.

I comply with the law.

Here in Nevada signs on private property have NO legal standing and I carry almost everywhere I go.

Ken

Here in Ohio you will see a lot of no gun signs. I believe its a misdemeanor to carry on private posted property. I have convinced a number of businesses to remove the sign or loose customers! Several have mentioned they were told by the local police that along with the no smoking sign the no gun sign was mandatory. This is not true on private property!

I am currently looking for a new surveyor and once found the old one will be told why he lost my business I have already warned him.

Len

This is also the case in GA, same rules apply. I too will follow the letter of the law, however a sign on a private business isn't difinative. I've never been made carrying my 60, but have no interest in testing it in off limit places.

Cheers,
Sam

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Beware the man with one gun...

If they're not statutorily prohibited, I just avoid them for the most part. I disarm before going to the Post Office or restaurants with liquor licenses.

Fortunately apart from places with by the drink liquor licenses and the Post Office, almost none of the places I go to here are posted.

I would never consider carrying in the post office or another federal building. The only real issue for me is restaurants (and movie theaters!) that serve alcohol. I'll admit I have carried in those in the past (rarely).

That point will become moot here in another week or so, since the law is changing to allow carry in restaurants as long as you aren't drinking.

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I'm not a mechanic but I play one in my garage...

We have the same thing at the Orlando, FL shows. I go ahead and go along with it as I am a big believer in respecting the wishes of the owners when on another's property. I demand this of others so I extend the same respect to someone else. I unload and they tie the gun at the door. On the way out the restrooms are next to the exit. I duck in, clip the tie, load it up and go on my way.

Bob

The only place I have ever seen a sign like that is at a gun show, and I have no issues with that at all.

Like the cards and will be making copies. Please accept my thanks and pass it on to Mr. Oliver also.

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2 Blessed 2B Stressed

The gun show that had a no carry sign was at an Armory.In the last year I've been to four other gun shows at Armorys and one at a community center and none of those had signs.Maybe it's different here in the "sticks" of central MN.

Love the cards, can think of at lease a dozen people who will be carrying them, adapted to KY. I can think of a few places that I will make a special trip to hand them out too.

Chalk me up to "only if its actually illegal". Waiting for KY to adapt to carrying in bars. I never realized how much I am in bars, not drinking until TN passed theirs.

Also, still looking for those "CDW Welcome" signs...

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Fast is fine;accurate is final

In Texas I took the resort shuttle downtown. When I came back it was no longer running and I had to take the city bus. As I was getting on, there is their sign...L What do they expect me to do realistically...
I was walking down the street with a letter for the Post office, no place to put the gun. Luckily they have a drive through so I walked through the line of cars.
Someone will have to be the poster child for our civil rights. This IS infringement. Ace

I carry everywhere it is not illegal to carry. Just because you put a sign on your door, that doesn't make it "illegal".

They know what they can do if they can't take a joke.

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G.P. Charlie

Texas law says they must display the 30-06 in English and Spanish.

If it doesn't meet the standards set here:
Texas Department of Public Safety - Courtesy, Service, Protection

It don't mean squat in TEXAS!

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Protected by Sigma 40VE

I carry despite the posted sign. I carry everywhere except those places that have a metal detector - state and federal courthouses, etc. Places that I've carried include the local magistrate, post office, county offices, school, bars, nightclubs, hospitals, doctors' offices, etc. They clearly post "No CCW."

Firstly, taking off the gun and holster is a real hastle. Secondly, some dimwit might state that I was "brandishing" while I was taking off the holster - even though in my state concealed carry is not mandatory as part of the CCW statutes.

I look at this way - if the weapon is truly concealed then no one is going to know except the carrier. I carry only for defensive purposes - not criminal ones. Furthermore, I'm not a "cowboy" just a rootin' for a gunfight. I'm a prudent, law-abiding citizen - just not the unreasonable CCW statutes. It's a legitimate form Civil Disobedience regardless of what anyone says. As far as I'm concerned my conscience is clear. I'm harming absolutely no one.

The real problem is liability and not the criminal consequences. I think in most states carrying where it is prohibited is a misdemeanor (the obvious exceptions are where federal law applies). However, if you have to shoot someone on "prohibited" ground then the civil liabilities would be enormous. Even if you saved a bunch of people you would be branded a "vigilante killer."

So what, I still carry - my life is worth it.

To Each His Own...

I take the CCW laws in Ohio very seriously. I NEVER carry into places where I'm not supposed to. I don't want to lose the right to carry everywhere else. I'm from Illinois where the government has determined that it's better for me to be robbed and murdered or for a woman to be beaten, robbed, raped and murdered than for either of us to defend ourselves with a gun. I'm not going to lose my right to carry for something stupid.

I disarm and rearm in public places all the time. I don't have any choice. As I recall, carrying into a liquor establishment is a felony. If anybody wants to hassle me for NOT committing a felony, I know several really good civil attorneys. Bring it.

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I'm with you Cmort. I obey the law. The consequences of getting arrested, charged and quiet possibly convicted are just not worth it. I just don't understand those that would take this chance and "bet their future".

Yes, I know why we all carry..(or why we should carry)..but in spite of your firearm being concealed, there are any number of ways your possession could be revealed and then you have no recourse.

To be convicted, this will change your life forever. This is just a chance that I'm not willing to take.

The law is not perfect and in many way completely silly, however, try telling that to the judge! What will that get you.

Over the years, I've told on this forum why I carry. It is not a whim or any thing like that.

My wife has had a threat made on her life...twice...and a guy is sitting in the penitentiary doing a sixty years sentence for soliciting her demise. We live under this every minute of every day.

Don't think for one moment that I don't take personal protection and defense seriously. We are armed 24/7. It is not an "option". It is a necessity. We live under constant vigilance. If there is a place that is "illegal" to carry, I either just find some way not to be there, or find some other way around it. My life is to precious to jeopardize it by breaking the law.

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G.P. Charlie

Likewise, I've had my life threatened, and very publicly, in usenet. I've had what people thought were maps to my house posted in usenet, along with exhortations to murder me. My reaction? "How come you're not here yet?" Just a couple of weeks ago, a couple of deranged people, separately tried to provoke me. I just "ignored" them while keeping a close eye on them. By the way, the textbook definition of "stupidity" is trying to start a fight with a total stranger, wearing an NRA instructor's cap, reading a book on machine guns. But as I said to an irrationally anti-gun acquaintance, "An armed society is a polite society. Hell, I didn't even talk to either one of them, much less shoot them repeatedly."

I have very good SPECIFIC reasons not to endanger my right to carry, nevermind the examples of the Lane Bryant massacre or the slaughter of the doctor's family in Connecticut.

If you don't like the law, work to get it changed. That's exactly what people in Ohio are doing, both regarding notification and carrying in liquor serving restaurants.

What are you guys (Charlie and cmort) going to do if our "reasonable" government says you can't carry any more?

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Centennial Every Day

You don't say where you are so who knows. In Florida you'd get a second degree misdemeanor(60 days) to third degree felony(5 years) for most of those.

You'd like it behind bars, especially after "Bubba" gets to know you. I'll pass, thanks anyway.

Bob

cautioninc...the only time i have seen one of these signs was on a visit to memphis this past aug.it was downtown at the rendezvous restaurant across from the peabody motel...great food there...glad to see the change!

i'm with you cmort...retired LEO here in a small city where i know a lot of less than upstanding people...and they know me...its small enough that they have come to my home with a "question" these range from the petty dopers up through class 1 felonies...so....CCW is taken seriously....however...post office and the few other places...nope...i dont carry there either...either i dont go or i will leave it in the trunk...its simply not worth the risk

Rent the movie "Michael Collins".

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Now how should I answer that question?

COME ON, GET REAL

I'm suprised that anyone on a gun forum would openly ask some one that question.

Every situation demands a unique solution.

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G.P. Charlie

If it's concealed , nobody sees it , nobody knows , nobody needs to know.

Unless they have a metal dectector or frisk ya , screw 'em.

You're right Charlie. I shouldn't be asking that. My apologies.

Matter of fact, we shouldn't be discussing whether or not or where we carry ~at all~ on an internet forum.

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Centennial Every Day

No apology needed.

I just get wound up!

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G.P. Charlie

Wow, that would need to be a big sign to be posted in 1" block letters.

Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(B) further states that a sign must meet the following requirements:

1. includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
2. appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
3. is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

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Memory of Randy Freas-Rimfired

strangely, the only place (other then courthouses) I've ever seen posted "No concealed firearms allowed" was a local gunshop.