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Originally posted by CombatController:
Well, I had a failure!


Gun Make: S&W

Gun Model: 340 no dash

Age of Gun: Four years, 400 .357 and 1600 .38 special.

Options on Gun: Clip draw added

Description of ILIF: April 15th 2008. I was shooting Federal "Low Recoil" 135 gr .357 HydraShok at Red's indoor range. Third round caused the hammer not drop all the way forward. The flag had jumped half way up and kept the hammer from falling forward. Cocking the hammer caused the flag to drop. The flag pops up pretty easily now, I think the spring is broken.

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I'm a bit confused...A 340 is Centennial style gun where you can't see the flag nor cock the hammer. Was your ILIF on a different model (like a 360) or did you observe and perform these things on the 340 after removing the side plate?

For everyone else, I believe this is the first properly documented ILIF since November '07.

... sprey

Doh! My bad, since I carry both I confuse the two. It is a 360, not my 340. The 340 got locktighted.

I will flop the flag out and take a pic before I send it out. I think S&W needs to see it, if anything for internal reasons. Enough of them and at least we might get a redesign that fixes it. When it comes back I will disable the lock. I have no legal worries about it. First it has to get noticed, then my Texas jury will have to care.

I think getting in hot water over it is akin to having to defend yourself for practicing. I do IDPA, a zealous prosecutor could contrive to say I am training to kill people in diverse situations. OR that hollow points violate the Hague conventions. I plain old am not worried. I just hope I never have to use them in defense, but if I do, I want them to work right that one time.

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=34&t=307020

over on arfcom a 41 mag is doing the same old lockup thing as all the others , and the guy is seriously po'd about it...

I found the same link to the AR forum on www.xavierthoughts.blogspot.com

I purchased a 686 last year {2007}. Worked fine until a couple weeks ago. With factory 357mag loads the gun locked up 3 times in one outing and locked again on the next outing. 4 lock ups in a week!

My gun does not show the flag coming up when it locks up. Using the key does solve the problem but this is a defense gun! I can not rely on a key! I have to rely on the gun.

I strongly suggest you send it to S&W so they can at least document it, and then when it comes back pull that sucker out.

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Originally posted by redeux:
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=34&t=307020

over on arfcom a 41 mag is doing the same old lockup thing as all the others , and the guy is seriously po'd about it...

But ah, yes, it's all much ado about nothing, eh? Yes, indeed. Justa bunch of guys on the internet with nothing better to do than complain. That's because we have more free time than certain paper publications and writers, not spending all day with our hand in Smith & Wesson's pocket.

Check the photos in that link, guys, and tell me it's all in our heads.

And as the man says at the end of his post:

"This is not a product I can have faith in any longer.
I would be a fool to carry one to protect my life."

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by redeux:
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=34&t=307020

over on arfcom a 41 mag is doing the same old lockup thing as all the others , and the guy is seriously po'd about it...

But ah, yes, it's all much ado about nothing, eh? Yes, indeed. Justa bunch of guys on the internet with nothing better to do than complain. That's because we have more free time than certain paper publications and writers, not spending all day with our hand in Smith & Wesson's pocket.

Check the photos in that link, guys, and tell me it's all in our heads.

And as the man says at the end of his post:

"This is not a product I can have faith in any longer.
I would be a fool to carry one to protect my life."

Yes! And I think back to just a few years ago where, on this forum, there were a number of people who were saying that those who were seriously concerned about the lock issue (I am among them and have been from the beginning) were just hollow headed internet naysayers blowing a bunch of hot air. Saying stupid things such as "I've got over 700 rounds through my XYZ S&W with a lock and I've never had any lock problems... no worries here."

Well, what are those ding dongs saying today? (Probably the same thing!) Actually (rhetorical question), never mind, I really don't care what they're saying today; it didn't matter to me what they were saying then and it doesn't matter what they're saying today. People will decide what they think, act accordingly, and experience the results of their choices.

DHart, they are over in a thread in the revolver section, trying to convince everyone to purchase new S&W's and prop up the company........because it's an American company Regards 18DAI, also an original lock hater.

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Originally posted by 18DAI:
DHart, they are over in a thread in the revolver section, trying to convince everyone to purchase new S&W's and prop up the company........because it's an American company Regards 18DAI, also an original lock hater.

I'm still a little frustrated that this topic was moved from the main revolver section, only to be sequestered off into this obscure area of the forum where completely random and odd (off-) topics are discussed. "The Lounge" is a folder which I never visit because I am only interested in topics relating to modern S&W revolvers. I suspect a great many other forum members never visit this folder either. By having this topic residing in the Lounge makes it seem like it's just an odd, off-topic subject when it is anything but. And being here, keeps the topic out of the view of a great many who visit this forum to specifically read about modern S&W revolvers, people who would otherwise see it and be very interested in it.

This topic is at the heart of the matter as far as S&W revolvers is concerned and I believe this topic is important enough to be front and center in the modern revolvers folder.

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I second that emotion.
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I've been somewhat curious why this thread topic wasn't in the Revolver forum, myself.

I only found it after mine failed and was doing a google search.

the sad thing is that i have two S&W snubbies , one with 50 rnds thru it and the other unfired that will probably never be used for what they were designed for because they cannot be considered reliable...
i feel stupid for having bought them , now that i see all the foofaraw hitting the boards about the screwups with IL S&W's...
i am tempted to take S&W to smallclaims court for a defective and unsafe product design , it wouldn't result in a huge cash payout (5k limit) but it would certainly put them on notice that serious gunowners won't take this crap any more...
if someone offered me what i paid for them they would be gone so fast it would leave scorchmarks on the boxes...
thanks for nothing S&W...
oh , yeah , you also get the improperly hardened keys that lock (but won't unlock) the guns...