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I e-mailed S&W, & a Service Rep. mailed Me two new keys ! No charge. I needed them with the 686 to sell it.  |
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Thanks for the information 41 Magnum, i will do that Monday morning because to date i have not found the key.
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Here is the Problem! Look close at the flag,
If this spring is weak or if it breaks the gun jams up. Scary Stuff!! Page 5 in the FAQ (revolvers) if you want to learn how to service it.  This message has been edited. Last edited by: 500 Magnum Nut, NRA Benefactor Member |
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That darn, stupid flag!!
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Have the following guns with internal locks: (1) PC Model 586 L-Comp, (2) PC Model 29 American Pride, (3) 686-6, and (4) a 637. Never had any problems with the IL because I never use them. No doubt that the IL sucks! Why use it?
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If you read through this thread, you'll see that the lock will sometimes engage on it's own. The fact that you never engage the lock will not prevent this from happening to your guns. |
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From someone I personally know as a 100% reliable source - I believe he is a member her as well, LSP972.
"In 2002, I bought a 360PD, saw that stupid lock, and immediately disabled it. I did it the "quick" way, by simply removing the lever arm that locks the hammer. The rest of the parts (key mechanism, actuating lever & spring, etc.) were not in the way, so I left them alone. Five years and several thousand rounds later... I'm shooting the little Beast, which suddenly "locks up"; the hammer is stuck halfway back and won't move. WTF? A second look reveals the awful truth; the ENTIRE remaining lock mechanism has dropped out of its place in the frame and lodged against the hammer." This is how my 642 is disabled. I hunting a lock free .38 LW.
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Oh great pangris!! Now I have to worry about that. Geez S&W, get rid of the stupid lock!!!
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I reckon I'm part of the problem;I haven't contacted S&W/Safe-T Co. or whoever. Will do that soon.I was ignorant of the locks when I bought a M329 AirLite PD. What a great piece/very portable,hand-cannon. Plenty of recoil to knock about small parts/springs. Gotta get over to my local smith;hopefully he will show me how to do the IL-ectomy. I love the design/materials/action/sights, everything; but the stupid lock; that sucker's gotta go.
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AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!. I just removed that damn flag on my 340pd and 627. Now I'm going to have to gut the rest of that crap too??!!! GIVE A MAN A FISH AND HE WILL EAT FOR A DAY. TEACH A MAN TO FISH AND HE WILL SIT IN A BOAT ALL DAY DRINKING BEER. |
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Once again I’m going to post this question and maybe somebody, anybody, can tell me if I’m off base here. Never seem to get any comments on this when I’ve posted it in the past, so I assume there is something that I do not understand about the mechanics of this thing.
After looking at the mechanism on my 340pd, I don’t understand why one cannot simply GRIND the flag off such that it would: 1. Still be able to retain the stuff in hole, thus not having to worry about “filling” the hole in the frame. 2. Still have the flag body holding the guts together inside, such that if something was indeed rattled loose and the thing failed, it would at least fail in the safe position, as there is no longer any tang or foot on the flag to hang up the workings. Meaning the gun would not lock up and would continue to fire. 3. You could purchase a new flag to install later should you decide to sell the gun. Help me out here, what am I missing about this concept????? |
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Wayne02,
I think that you are right. I certainly hope so, since that is what I did. I have not yet heard of an IL malfunction for which the removal of the lug on the flag wasn't a sufficient fix. 520 |
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Without taking the time to read the whole thread, and aside from trading for a pre-lock gun, what is a guy to do to make sure an ILIF does not happen to you at a crucial time?? Every S&W I own (except one model 13) has the lock. I have started to dabble in the world of 1911's lately, and this thread almost makes me want to exclusively pack my 1911. I am starting to get scared to rely on my lock guns, which includes a 686, a 60, a 629, and a 617. What is everyone else doing?
"For those who respect man's laws, we have the constitution and bill of rights; for those who respect God's laws, we have the Holy Bible; and for those who respect neither, that is why we carry our Smith and Wesson" |
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Kentucky Shooter... you *probably* won't have the lock jam your gun during a defense shooting, though it is always possible as long as the lock is in there. And if you're like me, you will always have that thought in the back of your mind about the possibility.
SO, if I were you, I'd just decide what you want as your carry gun and what you want as your home defense gun and make sure those two guns are without lock, then go get those two guns if you don't have them already. As for the others that do have locks? Personally, I'd sell 'em! But you could use them as range guns. Be kind.... everyone you encounter is fighting battles which you have no awareness of. |
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Dhart----I will consider your advice, especially on my model 60, which is my most likely carry piece of the bunch. The others are generally used for hunting(non-dangerous type) and plinking and shooting. "For those who respect man's laws, we have the constitution and bill of rights; for those who respect God's laws, we have the Holy Bible; and for those who respect neither, that is why we carry our Smith and Wesson" |
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