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Originally posted by 41:
Well....if any one connected with the ATF is reading this board, you can bet that they will be going over his books with a fine toothed comb. This thing has all kinds of red flags.

There was one shop in the area many years ago where they camped out for several weeks. Nothing was found to my knowledge but it sure took up a lot of the dealer's time.
41

You got that right ... gun shops can find a government audit to be a real inconvenience.

Fugate is still at it (lastbidder is his GB buying name):

http://www.forthehunt.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=91226677

Mark this auction and then check to see when he relists it as NIB and doubles the price.

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Originally posted by animalmother:
Fugate is still at it (lastbidder is his GB buying name):

http://www.forthehunt.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=91226677

Mark this auction and then check to see when he relists it as NIB and doubles the price.

Seller says: "A very nice 97% or better model 58 in 41 magnum. Correct grips ( not numbered tot he gun), correct box w/o a sticker. Owners manual. This is a 1967 production year revolver. I AM USING OTHER WAYS TO SELL IT AND WILL END THE LISTING AT ANY TIME IF THE REVOLVER IS NO LONGER FOR SALE."

Sounds like this guy and Fugate Bros were made for one another....

If nothing else we should be able to see to it that Fugate pays more than $625 for a 1967 S-Serialed Model 58 with an (almost) correct box and grips....

I'm thinking that this $800 gun should cost Fugate more like $1200... what do you boys & girls think? Maybe we can send the Fugates a jar of Rague so that they'll have something to spread on the gun when they eat it.

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Originally posted by gig-a-hertz:
I was just cruising GB and found a S&W that I wouldn't mind having. Low & behold, it is a No-Reserve style auction being sold by one of our more renowned members here.

Guess who the current high-bidder is?
Then I looked at the sellers' "other auctions",
of which, I see the same handle as the top-bidder.
Upon doing a little more research, it appears the bidder uses one account to "buy" and another account to "sell"?

Business is business, so I guess money talks & nobody walks?

I wonder if he'll exclude this bidder at some point?

I have never dealt either way with the bidder that this thread refers to.
While I read, he seems to be one of a few, who simply 'runs it in the ground'....he is not alone. A few others have been booted here for the same practices. He and the others just got caught....and thus caught...they show their true colors.
I never am concerned if the guy I buy from has turned a profit, I buy if it's what I want at a price I can live with and don't look back.
But I do have a policy of not selling (I seldom sell at all) to a flipper.
I would only ignore my policy, if I had to in order to keep my house heated or lighted or my kids/family alive. The problem is nobody admits up-front, that they are going to flip it. Only a few run it in the ground enough to be identified.

Does this member know? Does he care?

I just got information that I wanted to pass along. The Fugate's in Calhoun, TN are NOT connected to the ones in KY. Just wanted to clarify that because the folks that know the Calhoun Fugate's said they're good people and it'd be a shame if their name got dragged in with the others.

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That auction discription is so wrong. I don't know why he thinks it's a box from 1955. The 19-3 model and that 5K serial number if from about 1972

Mickey, I guess he is going by the date stamped in the box. That date was stamped in there for yrs. and yrs. A lot of people think their gun was made in '55 just cause the stamping in the box.

TNDixieGirl, thank you for posting that information. I truly feel sorry for those people. If they lose a single customer over this, they don't deserve it. I guess that is just one more example of John and Matt Fugate screwing someone.

I originally posted the question here...

http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5001039...061024772#7061024772

They're screwed now. Everyone knows their Modus Operandi and their IDs on the auction sites, and now they're being actively monitored.

All because they had to push the issue and spam the members here. Smooth move, boys. I hear that the government is seeking you two out to offer you positions on some of their think tanks.

I really, really want to read his "white flag" e-mail. Please!

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Originally posted by musicmanbass:
I really, really want to read his "white flag" e-mail. Please!

I'm still mulling it over. I will say, though, that in both emails, John Fugate pledges to stay away from the Classifieds section of this board.
If nothing else, you'll see the email when I catch he and his brother in there again, because I don't think they can help themselves. I really don't.
Just like the story of them trolling the aisles of a recent gun show in their area, like a couple of freaking vampires. Kinda pathetic, actually.
In all the time I've manned the helm here, I've never seen behavior this pathologically obsessive as I have from John and Matt Fugate, not even from Hammerdown, and that's saying something.

Yeah, this was a stupid move. Forget about them breaking anti-spam laws and pissing off dozens of members here.
Now that everyone knows their auction site IDs, and now that everyone knows that since they are determined to get guns even if they have to overpay, I see some serious problems for them.
Think about it. What's to stop a man from bidding up an auction that you know these guys are bound to win? And what would be a countervailing technique the Fugates could employ if they suspect such a tactic is being used against them? Well, they can bail out of the auction. Sorry, I had to take a short giggle break there. It's sublime, y'know?
I mean, which auctions do they bail on? How will they know if they're being screwed with? I don't think the brain power is there for these two guys to assimilate all the data and make a determination.


And pandemonium shall ensue.


The squeaky wheel gets the grease, boys. Do they say that in Kentucky? Sure they do.
Hell, who knows. Maybe they both woke up this morning and realized that their behavior is offensive to S&W collectors and violates the spirit of the forum. Don't laugh. It could happen. Really.

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Originally posted by parabellum: I'm still mulling it over.

Mr. Bellum,

I just got an email from Fugate in which he said that you simply didn't have the stones to post his letter.

Not really, just funnin....

It's difficult to take these guys seriously or to trust anything they say. Before the Mea Culpas started arriving via email, I got a couple of smarmy, flippant emails sent by those guys, the first one thanking me for making an issue of this, and that they really didn't have a lot of time to talk, because the phone was ringing off the hook.

I responded that I would have expected nothing from them but that kind of stuff and that I didn't believe it. I told them if they were actually happy with this, then they're stupider than they appear, which I didn't think possible.
After another flippant email from them (signed by both Matt and John), I told them I wasn't going to open any more emails from them, because I don't argue with idiots.
The last thing I did in my final message to them was to point out to them that in a month or so, after web spiders have picked up these very busy threads in this very active forum, to consider what will happen when someone performs a search on "Fugate Firearms" to check web rep.
I pointed out to them that these threads would likely appear at the top of any such search.
It may be coincidental, but they seem to fold like cheap lawn furniture after that.
After that, the tone of communications changed dramatically. Imagine that.

Change your email to something like I did

joesherr[at]joesherrill.com change [at] to @

This will allow people to email you if they manually edit the address. Automated email senders will get a bad address back.

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After another flippant email from them (signed by both Matt and John), I told them I wasn't going to open any more emails from them, because I don't argue with idiots

I am a cowboy shooter and a friend has posted on the back of his gun cart..."Life is to short to drink cheap whiskey and argue with idiots".........Para...you have a LOT of friends!

Not necessarily Joe. That is how my email address has been set up from the get go but they still managed to mine my contact info.