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A pregnant soldier in uniform without ID is stopped for speeding on post and questioned about her CCW. She was wrong for speeding, wrong for not having her ID with her and apparently innocent of violating an order not to have the CCW on post. In today's world I think she did darn well.
FWIW, women have used the pregnancy "bump" to hide a number of things and they have dressed in various clothing to deceive others as to their identification. People, even women, have been known to hide "stuff" in medical appliances such as casts, slings and colostomy bags. She would do well to have her ID with her. That said, some MPs are no smarter than some infantry guys (I was one of those, too) and some get a lot of "juice" from making a stop. It pays to be cool and collected and smile, it pays double not to draw their attention. Sincerely, Hobie "We are all travelers in the wilderness of this world, and the best that we find in our travels is an honest friend." Robert Louis Stevenson |
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I can't think of any thing that doesn't have a down side or maybe even two. Since I've been 'carrying' for the last Forty Years and have found more than one reason for having one and don't even want to consider what might have happened if I hadn't had one at those times. Well, you shoot what you want to and let me know when your D-300 gets you out of a jam with something more than an angry butterfly!!! KKG - Again!!! Texan - 1st, Last and Always!!! S&WCA #1805 1st Cav Division, 45B20, Spec. 5, Proud Viet Nam Vet '69-'71 NRA Life Member - Benefactor Level "There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them." |
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Was she driving the Gator family tank?
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Marines are MPs, Navy are Masters-At-Arms. If they did run her license plate and came back w/ a CCW response, they did right in questioning whther or not she had the weapon w/ her. CCW, CHL, etc. are NOT valid on military bases that are Federal property, and possession of civilian firearms is restricted: If you live in quarters you may keep them there, but a soldier living in a barracks has to keep them in the unit Arms Room. All weapons must be registered with the PMO (Provost Marshal's Office), and concealed carry is only allowed for specific individuals in specific assignments. Regular MPs are not authorized to carry concealed. The nervousness may have come from her outranking them.
_________________________ Pray for peace, but keep your powder dry. "My beloved America, thank you for your children. If your children want to become soldiers I will train them. When they are hungry I will feed them. When they are thirsty I will give them water. When they fight for freedom I will lead them. When they are unsteady on the battlefield I will motivate them. If they die on the battlefield I will bury them. So help me God." |
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Theres ample downside to many good things, and precautions are warranted. Surviving child birth will result in every imaginable form of pain, illness and ultimately death. car ownership will result in insurance premiums, fuel and maintenance expenses, and risk of becoming lost, or stranded. Please check your oil and other important fluids. A moonlit slow dance with a beautiful woman may result in marriage, child support payments and regret. Make sure you can spend a lifetime with her. A moonlit slow dance with a married beautiful woman may result in pain, severe hemorrhaging and loss of consciousness. Look for the wedding band mark on her hand. Packing heat in forbidden areas may result in incarceration. Make sure your packing to the letter of the law. Hunting with a 35 MM Cannon may result in a hostile encounter with subject matter confused about its proper place on the food chain. packing a 44 magnum backup is not unreasonable in this practice. I hope I successfully articulated the point without the cheap shot |
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GatorFarmer, what others have said about the running of the plates and a hit on the database...as I understand it here in Colorado CCH are put into a database and that data comes back to the inquiring LEO as "a person of interest"
 . This could be someone with an outstanding warrant, convicted felon, sex offender...bless my county sheriff's heart he and a hand full of other sheriffs refuse to put the names of their county CCH's names into the state for addition to that database.I doubt that that is the case with your wife in her situation...they may have been following SOP in dealing with a CCH. Go talk to the PMO and see what the facts/SOP are. Preston |
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Frankly, considering your wife didn't have her ID on her, I'd let this drop. I have seen sailors taken to Mast for not having their ID. I would ensure that she has her military ID at all times in the future. If she is stopped again, she needs to have a chat with her CMC and let him or her pursue it with the base CMC. It can be a quiet way of finding out why and stopping it.
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Frankly, I don't see any reason to complain. She was speeding, so it was a valid stop. I'm sure the Concealed Weapons Permit came up in NCIC. She didn't have her ID. The MPs asked if she was carrying her handgun, but didn't search the car (all vehicles on the installation are subject to search) and didn't give her a ticket.
I'd drop off some cold Gatorade at the gate on the next hot day. ............................. You might beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride. |
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Am I all screwed up, or am I being reasonable in assuming that fredmaya is referring to the downside of having a LICENSE, not the downside of carrying a WEAPON? |
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Not long after 11 Sep 01, I dove thru the Quantico MCB exit 148 gate (east of I95) from the WTBN on the west side of I95. Had several rifles in the cab of the 1978 Toyota P/U. While it took awhile to get through the gate (had to await the arrival of a Desk Sergeant/supervisor), I wasn't hassled at all, nor was I questioned about my CCW permit.
As Benjamin Franklin once said, "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." |
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If I remember correctly, Gatorfarmer's wife is not a sailor but an officer. While she should certainly have her ID card with her at all times, she should also be treated respectfully by the local MP's. Her immediate superior would probably be the best person to advise her how to respond, if at all, unless she's a nurse or an MD or somesuch, in which case the lowest-ranking person superior to her who actually knows anything about the military would be the choice (that might still be her immediate superior, but it is slightly less likely). |
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Concealed Permits are issued by the individual States and have 'nothing' to do with the NCIC Computer System. Would you care to explain this Statement? KKG - Again!!! Texan - 1st, Last and Always!!! S&WCA #1805 1st Cav Division, 45B20, Spec. 5, Proud Viet Nam Vet '69-'71 NRA Life Member - Benefactor Level "There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them." |
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Gator, did she have a scarf on her head? If so, she probably spooked them.
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Gator Don't be so sure the shotgun did not a have a round in the chamber. Rules are made to be broken. I know when I ran some security details all my people had rounds in the chamber. I told my crew look it's your a** if you want to carry the firearm with a round in the chamber it's up to you I do. And trust me if you didn't have your ID or know the password of the day to gain access to the area you were detained. Usually spread eagle on the ground. If you didn't cooperate My orders were shoot the pos. I could tell you some funny happenings about that. I would select my people I would select the least intelligent people I could find they make the best sentries They follow orders to the T. Pay attention to rule #11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Orders_for_Sentries |
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Sig 225.45 and Celtic Sire are giving you some sound advice. Your wife was at fault by driving on a military base without her military ID, and was speeding. The stop was probably motivated by a link to the VA CHL list, and the speeding. Do not, repeat, do not, try to intercede on her behalf. This incident is her responsbility. The system will not look kindly on her civilian husband trying to insert himself into this situation. She got off easy, let it stay like this. RKO
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