course that's how they get you at the airport too... "sir..has your luggage been under your control and possession the entire time?"

Therefore ..if we find cause to be suspicious..then you are the only one whom could possibly have been in control of this dangerous suitcase....yadada

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AK-type (7.62x39) rifles a year earlier

Interesting .....Wonder if the genius (actually politician so other words come up before genius) who thought this up was aware that 7.62x 39 occurs in other type weapons, bolt action comes to mind.

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AK-type (7.62x39) rifles a year earlier

Interesting .....Wonder if the genius (actually politician so other words come up before genius) who thought this up was aware that 7.62x 39 occurs in other type weapons, bolt action comes to mind.

Actually, Gov. Weicker's original CT. AWB banned AK-47s. In the interim, Century imported AKMs called "SAR 1" These were sold in CT. because the term SAR 1 did not include the term AK 47 or AKM. The 2nd CT. AWB, closing this loophole, included AK-types, or any rifle in 7.62x39 interchangable with the parts of identified AK-types. The SAR 2 and SAR 3 are still legal in CT.because they don't chamber 7.62x39. SKS in 7.62x39 are legal as well.

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Originally posted by animalmother:
If I got such a letter, I would throw it in the trash. If I then got a phone call, I would tell them "no, you cannot have my gun so stop asking me. Have a nice day." The OSBI has no legal way to compel anyone to turn their guns over to them. You can say no.

Actually ... they do have a legal way. It's called a subpoena and a warrant. It takes more effort on their part, but it's legal and they can compel you to turn over a firearm for testing.

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Originally posted by animalmother:
If I got such a letter, I would throw it in the trash. If I then got a phone call, I would tell them "no, you cannot have my gun so stop asking me. Have a nice day." The OSBI has no legal way to compel anyone to turn their guns over to them. You can say no.

Actually ... they do have a legal way. It's called a subpoena and a warrant. It takes more effort on their part, but it's legal and they can compel you to turn over a firearm for testing.

They actually can do what they damn well please. They can muster enough firepower together to take what ever they want from you. They don't need warrants. And if they kill you in the process, its your fault. "Authorities" who pull this type of stunt are criminals. This is what is expected of the Gestapo. So now they are going to investigate those who defy their "request"...How very Nazi of them.

I realize that many criminals are not particularly smart, but what on earth leads them to believe the murderer still has the pistol in his/her possession. Reeks of shoddy police work to appease the public.

A search warrant is legal. I may be off base, but I can't imagine a judge issuing 60 search warrants without probable cause.

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I guess we are mostly S&W guys here so maybe you don't know that Glock has a rectangular firing pin. You can almost always tell a Glock spent case from any other just by looking at the firing pin marks in the primer. In addition you can match the spent case with the gun most of the time. Brass is much softer than steel and with the pressure of firing, the firing pin leave microscopic machine marks on the brass and the breechface leaves marks on the head of the brass case. If there is empty brass left at the crime scene, you may very well be able to make the match.

Also, while not in this country, several years ago in England, when DNA testing was very new, the male population of an entire county was asked to provide a DNA sample. The case was solved, in part to the testing, but I don't remember exactly how it went.

While this might not have been the best way to find the bad guy, it will eliminate some folks. You would be surprised what some people will do. Its not impossible that the gun would show up for testing!!!

That's just about the dumbest thing I've heard of yet! I'm a killer and I'm first of all going to keep the murder weapon around just in case I need it again, (of course I've legally obtained it), then when I get my come on in letter, I'm right there to have it checked by the cops!!!! Give me a break! The bad guys don't follow the rules people! Stop this nonsense of hasseling legal gunowners and go after illegal guns and the scum that use them.

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Originally posted by Jerry in SC:
Reeks of shoddy police work to appease the public.

A search warrant is legal. I may be off base, but I can't imagine a judge issuing 60 search warrants without probable cause.

I'm not so sure about shoddy work, but I tend to believe the investigators are desperate and reaching for straws. They must be having serious difficulty coming up with a suspect/s. Much of investigation work is a simple process of elimination, so someone seems to have thought of this as a way to possibly identify the killers. I doubt they think the real killers would come forward, so they may be looking for those who don’t, and who also may happen to fit other profiles.

I’ve investigated a number of killings, but never in this manner.

You’re right about the search warrants. There must be probable cause to believe that the murder weapon is in a particular location, at this time. Leaving out the possibility of corruption, it would be a tall order to convince a judge to sign it.

This is a wonferful example of a fishing expedition with a bunch of officers racking mega overtime in a exercise that will be fruitless as a investigative tool but very fruitful to thier paychecks.Do they honestly think that a perp would use a legal gun with a paper trail to him /her as a murder weapon???As for the request for my gun I would say forget it,have a nice day,and if you come again you can speak to my attorney.....God Bless....Mike

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What if the OSBI had a rape case; does evey male in county submit to a DNA test?

No, we all just go to the police station and show our johnsons. Joe

zercool wrote:

"Actually ... they do have a legal way. It's called a subpoena and a warrant. It takes more effort on their part, but it's legal and they can compel you to turn over a firearm for testing."

No, they could not get a warrant. You need probable cause to get one. A cop cannot just go to a judge and ask for a warrant because he wants one. No judge I know of would issue a warrant authorizing the testing all Glock 40s in a given area. There is no such thing as a general warrant in the US.

Second, a subpoena is issued by the court in connection with a pending case. Subpoenas are not investigative tools that are just there for the asking.

I could be wrong, but my 15 years as an attorney in the criminal law area tell me otherwise.

If the local police could simply get a warrant or subpoena, they would have done so and then went out and collected all the Glock 40s.

They can't get either, so they are asking people to do it voluntarily.

Some years back an assistant US Attorney in Washington state was killed by someone using a Makarov with a supposed after market barrel. The FBI was trying to test every gun and barrel they could get their hands on.

They did the same thing: asking owners to allow testing. If a subpoena or warrant would be available, you can bet the FBI would have used one or the other to compel production of guns and barrels.

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If this happened around here my reply to the Ohio State Bureau of Investigation would be to come back with a warrant.

I do not mind helping the police, but I will not provide evidence to prove my innocence. They have to find evidence of my guilt some other way, and they won't find any, BTW.

This is a tough one. Joseph Wambaugh wrote "The Blooding" to tell the story nightowl mentioned (of wholesale DNA testing in a town in the UK). It's been a long time since I read the book, but I do remember thinking this was a very ineffective way to investigate crime.

Nonetheless, if you don't have much to go on, how far do you in your attempt to prevent another murder?

I don't know anyone involved in the case, but while we may question their methods, it sounds like their motive is pure.