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Relocating the lock to a "hidden location" would make the revolver look better, but not cure the untimely malfunctions of the lock. I say just get rid of the darn thing.
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Or what about a grip safety like on the M-40? Make the whole backstrap like that.
Okie John "The 30/06 works. Period." -- Finn Aagaard |
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I just bought a model 60 5" with the lock and looking things over it appears to me that a little loctite or epoxy in the right place can guarantee that it will never inadvertently lock up at the wrong time.
I will know more when I look under the side plate while installing a Wolff spring kit and checking for burrs etc. About the only way those locks will be coming off I suspect is if/when the wife and family of a policeman killed due to the gun locking up unexpectedly sues S&W for everything including the company president's skivvies. If that idiocy was mandated by a government agency then they should be dragged into court too. Currently too much of our society does not want to take responsibility for their own actions. If they do something dumb then they look for someone to blame and sue. Rich Wood |
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Rich, My understanding is, under what's called "sovereign immunity," you can't sue most branches of the government -- unless they, in effect, let you. |
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If S&W does not have the good sense to stop making revolvers with internal locks on the side-plate (that hole is so ugly), then at least move it to a location that does not make the gun look so ugly.
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Moving the lock to a different location would force a redesign of the lock. The self locking problems caused by a weak ass spring could be fixed then. Springfield Armory 1911s have had an internal lock for quite some time now and I have never heard of one failing like S&W's. Las armas son necesarias Pero nadie sabe cuando; Asi no, si andas paseando, Y de noche sobre todo, Debes llevarlo de modo Que al salir, salga cortando. Martín Fierro |
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I agree with you Rich.I have a lock-model and think it's a good IDEA if young children are about the house.Heavens,people don't use turn signals or seatbelts either and if something happens,they sue SOMEONE else thinking it's someone else's fault!  |
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I'm waiting for the Chrysler car sale: Buy a Chrysler(Cerberus) and get a free Remington/Marlin/Cerberus shotgun!  |
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Springfields idea,being placed in the mainspring housing was brilliant in that
a simple replacement housing and 5 mins. work completely removes the lock. S&W could place the lock in the grip frame, possibly to block the movement of the spring rather than interfering with the action works and placing the activation hole at the bottom of the frame,for instance were a lanyard loop might go. If located in the grip frame complete removal of the lock may be possible without altering the exterior of the gun at all. |
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Why yes, after years of locks, and retooling every gun, they are dropping the locks tomorrow.
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Why have they left off the lock in the M40 "Lemon Squeezer" that is out now? Is it because of the grip safety?
__________________________ My friend, Officer Jamie Walker Waynesboro MS PD. EoW 9-28-2005 http://www.odmp.org/officer.php?oid=17883   |
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While I don't work there, I have some experience with machining tooling and programming. Putting the lock in does not appear to have needed a whole lot of new fixturing. Maybe one or two new tools in the magazine and some more lines of code. Deleting the holes for the lock would be even easier. Las armas son necesarias Pero nadie sabe cuando; Asi no, si andas paseando, Y de noche sobre todo, Debes llevarlo de modo Que al salir, salga cortando. Martín Fierro |
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If you want to try it then per the S&W parts manual I just received the cylinder stop spring and the lock spring are the same part number.
Wolff offers stronger cylinder stop springs which if used as a replacement item on the lock might make the lock less likely to malfunction on strong recoiling guns. These seem to be the main area of reported problems. The current parts manual has an exploded diagram of current guns and a special one for the Model 500. These are the first I have found for the new MIM guns. |
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Can a gunsmith remove the locking mechanism?
Can you believe they let me buy a gun? |
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You can remove the part (lock arm) that moves to lock the hammer when the key is turned. You do have to remove the hammer to do so, but it is pretty easy. Get Kunhausen's S&W gunsmithing book and it clearly explains how to remove and reinstall the hammer. Once the hammer is out, removal of the lock arm and lock arm spring is obvious. Las armas son necesarias Pero nadie sabe cuando; Asi no, si andas paseando, Y de noche sobre todo, Debes llevarlo de modo Que al salir, salga cortando. Martín Fierro |
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