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This came from the Pro-gun forum:
"The Inevitable Tests Bo and I spent a pleasant afternoon testing the .25 ACP and the .22 Long Rifle in a pair of Berettas he has. These two pistols have barrels of the same length. Below find data from this afternoons tests along with some additional .25 ACP data including handloads. The two Beretta pistols used in testing. .25 ACP Factory loads Remington 51 grain FMJ, MV 789 fps, ME 71 ft./lbs. Winchester 50 grain FMJ, MV 852 fps, ME 82 ft./lbs.* Hornady XTP 35 grain hollowpoint MV 1004 fps, ME 78* .25 ACP Handloads Remington 51 grain bullet, 1.6 grains Unique, MV 853 fps, ME 82 ft./lbs. Remington 51 grain bullet, 1.2 grains Bullseye, 728 fps, ME 60 ft./lbs. Rem. 51 grain bullet, (can't tell-it's a secret) Unique, MV 933 fps, ME 99 ft./lbs. Selected .22 Long Rifle cartridges fired from a Beretta Model 21A Remington high-velocity copper plated 40 grain solid (Golden Bullet)* MV 842 fps, ME 63 ft./lbs. Remington high-velocity lead 36 grain hollow point* MV 865 fps, ME 60 ft./lbs. Winchester high-velocity lead 40 grain solid* MV 854 fps, ME 65 ft./lbs. Winchester high-velocity copper plated 36 grain hollow point* MV 894 fps, ME 64 ft./lbs A Colt Model 1908 and a Oehler Model 12 chronograph were used except (*) in which a Beretta Model 950 B .25 ACP and a Beretta Model 21A .22 Long Rifle were tested over a Chrony chronograph. Coincidentally, the Winchester factory 50 grain load checked out identically when fired from both the Colt and the Beretta and the Unique handload was only one foot per second faster. When considering the midget automatics I'd prefer the .25 ACP to the .22 Long Rife though the difference is so minuscule as to be pointless. The .25 ACP feeds more reliably, the heavier and slightly larger .25 bullet shows equivalent velocities, and the fully jacketed design should deform less and offer more penetration." This is an 'apples-to-apples' comparison. Make no mistake about it, neither are powerhouses, but the .25 ACP has the edge in raw power and reliability. Here's hoping that the .25 I am buying will have a good bore and serves me well. Scott 10mm Auto... The most versatile auto pistol cartridge extant! Double Tap and 10mm Auto... when you're serious about survival! |
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Just to add to the whole .22 caliber mix here.
This target was shot with a Beretta 21A Bobcat @ 7 Yds. using Standard Federal .22's compared to Aguila .22's, 30 gr. Supermaximum Hyper Velocity(Big Holes). The barrel is so short that the bullet must not have time to spin up and tailspins consistently all day long, making .38 holes. P.S. - It also does it with a Walther TPH. Regards, BM1  This message has been edited. Last edited by: bad_man_ one, ------------------------------------------------------------ "Motor racing, mountain climbing and bull fighting are the only true sports. All the rest are children's games played by adults." - Ernest Hemingway ------------------------------------------------------------ If you can read this... thank a Teacher... if you are reading it in English....THANK A SOLDIER!!! God Bless America !! ------------------------------------------------------------ Certified NRA Instructor |
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Oh, yeah. Then where are the .22 hand loads?  I never knew my P3AT was such a powerhouse. -Greg (a.k.a. Master of the Obvious) ____________________________________________________ I was a peripheral visionary. I could see the future, but only way off to the side. -Steven Wright |
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Thank you for the photo of your .25 Colt.I have always been intrigued by this model and almost bought one a couple of months ago. The $900.00
was more than I wanted to spend but it was in beautiful shape. Maybe someday I will find one in a pawnshop. joseph whitney |
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Very nice Colt 25 ACP ridewv! That is something special. 90 years ago your grandfather bought it new and it is still in the family almost a century later. Looks like grandpa did not shoot it much.
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I was working one day when we responded to a call of a kid who was accidently shot while his buddies were playing with a .25 auto. This guy (probably 16 or 17 at the time) was shot in the heart, yes I said in the heart. He lived to tell about it.
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Not to start a war here but I was amused when, on another forum, a fellow took me to task for suggesting that the .45 ACP could possibly be more effective than the whiz-bang 9mm. "After all" he said, "we're only talking .355 vs .452 or approximately .10 of an inch." I replied, that using his line of reasoning then there also wasn't much difference in the .25 ACP and his favored 9mm. Only the difference of .251 and .355 or that same .10 of an inch.
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How badly was the pericardiem injured? Were the heart muscles pierced, or were they simply bruised? Could you tell us more of what had happened? Scott 10mm Auto... The most versatile auto pistol cartridge extant! Double Tap and 10mm Auto... when you're serious about survival! |
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I knew a gunsmith that got shot in the belly with a .25. The bullet ran from his belly around to his side just under the skin. A tiny incision to remove the bullet and a couple of band-aids was all he needed.
-Greg (a.k.a. Master of the Obvious) ____________________________________________________ I was a peripheral visionary. I could see the future, but only way off to the side. -Steven Wright |
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Thanks for the compliments and grandpa didn't shoot it much. Ironically, my father bought a similar Colt 25 in the '70s (while grandpa was living) He didn't know grandpa ever even had a pistol. I have dad's also. It was also made by Browning but you can see the differences here, it's the lower one.  |
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Those are lovely old Colts, sir! I love them both! Something tells me that the Colt Junior in the picture would be a great deal of fun to shoot!
Scott 10mm Auto... The most versatile auto pistol cartridge extant! Double Tap and 10mm Auto... when you're serious about survival! |
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I've been reading this thread and the one on the CC forum concerning .25 autos with interest.
The only .25 I've owned (and still own) is a Baby Browning. It's more reliable than a mini-.22, so I guess I'm good to go if I have to carry concealed while wearing a Speedo. The only experience I have with a .25 versus a human came during Operation Just Cause in Panama. During the attack on the Commandancia, the surrounding Chorillo district (barrio or slums) was pretty much destroyed by fire. A large portion of the refugees made their way to the outdoor stadium at Balboa High School. One of the platoons from the company I commanded took initial control, pretty much by default. For the next few days we were pretty busy trying to establish basic humanitarian support while trying to provide security until the MPs could pick it up. Most of the people were just poor folks who had lost most of their earthly belongings and seemed pretty stunned. I will say that in dire circumstances they conducted themselves a lot better than some of our countrymen. There were, however, some bad actors: Thieves and Dignity Battalion thugs that tried to take advantage of the situation. One evening, while visiting the site with another company commander to check on our troops, water supply, feeding operations, etc, I heard a faint "pop", followed by a disturbance on the edge of the camp. I found two troops standing over a man rolling on the ground moaning. (OH SHIT! What did they do?) Another man, a Chinese, sat on the ground sobbing, with his wife(?) screaming and crying, kids sobbing, excited conversations, gestures and all the other stuff. The prone man was one of the previously mentioned "bad actors", and had tried to rob the Chinese guy using a rusty short machete with a taped handle. The Chinese guy shot him in the face, hitting him square in the front teeth, at a range of a few feet. He used a very worn-looking 1908 Colt. He only shot once, and there were only two other greenish-looking rounds in the magazine. The thug got hauled to the aid station; the last time I saw him he was gagging and coughing out lots of blood and his eyes were crossed. We got the family calmed-down. They were worried about what we would do. We all thought he had done what he had to, and there were larger issues to worry about. Anyway.... All that Chinaman had was a .25, and I'll bet he was glad he had it. If that's all I had, I hope I would do as well. |
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I can imagine that you wish that the Chinaman would have emptied the rest of the magazine in his mouth!
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Mesabi:
I enjoyed your post, and I am in no way trying to be inflammatory or insulting, but the term "Chinaman" is derogatory, insulting, and inflammatory. The correct term would be Chinese man. I know, I know..but what term would you use to describe a Hispanic, Black, or person of any other race? By the way, thank you for your service to your country. I'm a veteran (Viet Nam era) and it took 20 years for someone to thank me for serving. Regards, Dave
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I have a .25 Colt - the manual calls it a "Pocket Automatic." It looks like the one in the bottom of the picture. I bought it new in the early 70's. I didn't fire it for 30 years but, about 5 years ago, took it to the range and put two magazines through it. It's a nice little gun and I carried it in my pocket many times for a deep concealed weapon.
Shooting for over 60 years! |
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