They may work good, but based off other products I've seen I would not shoot an EAA product with my left hand (I'm right handed) wearing a kevlar helmet and a flak jacket. I don't trust them that much. I know there aren't other options in that sytle and in that caliber, but I'd suck it up and spend the extra bucks to buy something I hope (obviously one never knows) is a lot safer.

Hey that's fine dude, leaves more of them for us who know a good gun when we see and handle them.

That said just don't go bashing the guns you know nothing about because they are not a S&W, Colt or some other brand you like. I have several S&W's and love them and trust my life with them, just as I would and do with my Ruger, Tanfoglio or RIA pistols.

My Tanfoglio is always in my cars trunk when traveling, just in case I might need serious stopping power & range over my CS45 that stays in my consoul. But when at home it is loaded and ready to defend my home & family. I seldom take my 1006 when traveling because it is more valuble and does not drive tac's like the Italian Stallion does with its target sights.

PS: Only handgun I ever witness blow up was a Colt 1911 that came apart from broken a part. And the one rifle was a friends new Browning automatic in 308 when he was target practicing at the range. Should seen the end of the barrel, you would never belive what casued that.

I'm not bashing them because they are not a big name US-made gun, in fact I am not even bashing the Tangfolio guns. What I'm saying is from what I've seen first hand, the unscrupulous importer typically sales junk, knows it, and doesn't care. That's probably the reason their customer service is so poor is because they know if they fixed every problem they would be bankrupt. They probalby go out of their way for every 1 out 20 complaints so they have a few people out there that have something good to say. You even said youself that EAA customer service is horrible. As for guns blowing up, I alluded to the fact that their is always a chance something will go wrong when you instantly pressurize a little metal cylinder with tens of thousands of pounds of pressure. $h!t happens and always will. EAA however doesn't do their part to ensure the buyer gets a safe and reliable product. For that reason, I cannot trust the rest of their products either to be safe or to go bank when its supposed to, or God forbids needs to.

I finally had a chance to get to the range today with the EAA Witness-P 10 m.m.
Put five different types of ammo thru it with ZERO problems.
I even put my nuclear reloads thru it. I was very impressed with the accuracy.
It does get your attention compared to my heavier Stainless Steel framed Smith and Wesson's.

ShelbyV8,
Mine looks just like yours but without the acc. rail.
Regards,
BM1

Okay, its time for me to jump into this conversation. I have a full-sized 10mm Witness in their proprietary "Wonder" finish.

I have but three pieces of advice for anyone considering purchasing a Witness pistol:

a) First, install either an 18 or 20 pound Wollf-brand recoil (and extra-power) firing pin springs. This is so that you can shoot "Double Tap" strength (read: "original" Norma power-level) loads with impunity. You will appreciate the difference immediately!

b) Field strip the pistol and check the bearing surfaces for rough spots. Not every pistol is perfect and a bit of "fluff and buff" can alleviate a lot of frustration down the road.

c) Check and double-check the magazines! many of the "failure-to-feed" problems associated with the 10mm Witness pistols are due to their 10-round magazines! If you can, either get rid of them and replace them with 15-round magazines, or replace the springs in the 10 rounders. These "Clintonista" magazines tend to jam on the last round fed from them on a regular basis. They are either best avoided or reinforced with quality Wolff-brand replacement springs.

Last, but not least, shoot the sucker in! Shoot it, shoot it and shoot it some more! Put at least 250 jam-free rounds through it befor employing it as a "carry" weapon. BREAK IT IN! Remember: Your life depends upon the pistol's reliabliity!

Scott

Gunfan Don't hold bach tell how you reay feel about the gun do you like it or not

Sorry about the spelling new years will be here be for you know it can't start to soon you know

My experience with CZ style pistols.........Tanfoglio was the first copier of the CZ design. They were hit, mostly miss in the 80's. I purchased a supposedly better quality clone back in the mid-80's called the AT-84..........Tanfoglio parts finished in Solothurn, Switzerland. This was a 9MM that shot okay, in spite of the fact that the barrel bushing looked like it was reamed with a rock. This was back in the day when the Tanfoglio factory had heat treatment problems due to the fact of intermittent power outages in that part of Italy........Sold that pistol!

Next bite at the CZ hype was a CZ-75 that was being imported for the first time by Action Arms of Philly, PA...........This was the real deal........excellent machining and very accurate. Converted this pistol to single action only with a custom fit barrel bushing........my benchmark for a 9MM pistol..........I laugh at you High-Power fans!

I personally would be leary of a Tanfoglio built 10mm, but for $300........what exactly can you expect? If I was shopping for a 10MM auto, I'd be looking for a used Delta Elite. A Witness pistol is a downgrade from a Smith 10mm........not to mention a Colt!

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Originally posted by warrenag:
Gunfan Don't hold bach tell how you reay feel about the gun do you like it or not

I like my Tanfoglio Witness. I simply feel that there are some thins that will serve others that want their pistol to work well. They are VERY strong pistols and, when properly cared for, can provide years of yeoman service. While not as refined as either a Colt or Smith & Wesson, the Witness line of pistols can serve the shooter well. If anything is required, it is usually some minor "tweaking."

Scott

I worked for action in Philly along time ago the big gun at the time was the uzie I could had one cheap at the time if I wanted one

The new Tanfoglio is bigger, heavier gun the the the previous ones built prior to about '04 or there abouts. I have two S&W 10mm's and the Tanfoglio is build with bigger locking lugs and the contack points where the frame and slide slam togather are also bigger then the S&W's. I realize there could be a difference in the quality of the hardness of the metals.

I did as a precaution after inital break-in replace the recoil & firing pin springs and magazine springs with Wolff springs 18 & 21 lb spring depending on what I am shooting, standard WW STJHP or Rem TC target I have to use the 18lb and any hot loads to or beyond original Norma loading I switch to 21lb spring. The 21 lb spring is to stout for reliability with the factory ammo. Never used DT, so I can not say with them. I have some that will be well past 1500 fps that have been through the Wonder Thunder w/o and problems.

I just sent 100 hot (1350ish) 180 gr TC reloads te other day with 21lb spring and no problems other then range owner coming into range area to see what was rattling the building. Due to weight of the gun recoil was never a problem.

If I can get my brass to land within 3 or 4 feet I feel I am using the righ spring Some folks feel the main sring is all a part of the balance The recoil spring I am using in my cz 75b 9mm will keep the brass within 3 or 4 ft. when shooting 115 124 gr. and 90 gr will land at my feet And I have no idea what wt.the spring is All I know it works fine and that works for me HAPPY NEAR YEAR

The recoil spring doesn't seem to have that much of an effect on distance the shells are thrown. The ejector on these guns seems to really be the problem for the wild thrown brass.

Warrenag: Thanks for the info on the recoil spring, hadn't thought about that. I have had another Witness in .45 ACP that shot about 18 or so inches low at 10 yards. I didn't want to fuss with it so I got rid of it. My load was my std. IPSC load of 5.7 gr of 231 topped off with 200 gr SWC which was dead on in my 1911s. Though I am sorry I got rid of it. but the 10mm will stay and I will figure it out because I like the 10mm.

The CZ Clone forum has had several threads on the ejector problems of the 10 mm Witness, the usual cure was the modification of the ejector. I'll figure a way to get that done.

Also, if I ever find another witness in .45 ACP I will buy it. The CZs and most of their clones are great guns.

This will up set you. I just sold a 45 ACP Wonder finish with only couple of boxes fired through it for $135 just to get it gone so I could order a 38Super conversion.