quote:

Originally posted by bad_man_ one:
Well,
The 22# recoil spring did not cycle my target hand loads so I went back to the 20# spring.
Now,
Where can I get some extra power magazine springs, Wolff doesn't have any for the 10 m.m. mags.
I do see on the EAA website that the follower for the 10 m.m. and the .45 ACP are the same.
And since its a CZ clone, I'm going to see about getting some springs for a CZ 97B (.45 ACP).
Any info in this matter would help.
Regards,
BM1

I thought Wolff made some 10% "extra-power" springs for the Tanfoglio Witness line. changing out the stock for these can, on a regular basis, be the cure for many of the 10mm's "jamming woes."

Are you certain that Wolff Gunsprings doesn't make them?

I just finished visiting the Wolff Gunsprings website. The 10% and 15% "extra-power" springs that fit the CZ Series pistols will fit in the EAA-Tanfoglio line pistols. I got this straight from the "horses mouth"... NOT the other end!

Scott

I have those Wolff springs in my Witness 10mm and they work great, much better then original factory springs.

The factory recoil springs in the Witness 10's are light at 14#, but are great for tsrget loads and will even work with the Win 175 JHPST but will trow brass 30 feet, but if you are shooting real 10mm such as DT then you need to go up to an 18# min for those and may 22# if shooting hot hand loads.

quote:

Originally posted by gunfan:
I just finished visiting the Wolff Gunsprings website. The 10% and 15% "extra-power" springs that fit the CZ Series pistols will fit in the EAA-Tanfoglio line pistols. I got this straight from the "horses mouth"... NOT the other end!
Scott

Thanks Scott and all,
But,
I spoke with the Wolff spring guy (I didn't get his name) and he said he has nothing for the 10 m.m.
He will talk to EAA at the SHOT Show and he hopes to come up with something.
Please tell me what the spring part number is that you guys used.
Regards,
BM1

quote:

Originally posted by bad_man_ one:

Thanks Scott and all,
But,
I spoke with the Wolff spring guy (I didn't get his name) and he said he has nothing for the 10 m.m.
He will talk to EAA at the SHOT Show and he hopes to come up with something.
Please tell me what the spring part number is that you guys used.
Regards,
BM1

That was not the answer I got when I called and ask about the Witness last summer.

STock number is 49718 load rating listed is 18# and says on package for EAA Witness Series, the 18# will not cycle Remington 185 target loads and WW 175 JHPST will not cycle reliably in my Witness 10mm Wonder finish, but does fine with the full 10mm loadings. They list a 20# also IIRC on their website.

quote:

Originally posted by bad_man_ one:
Well,
The 22# recoil spring did not cycle my target hand loads so I went back to the 20# spring.
Now,
Where can I get some extra power magazine springs, Wolff doesn't have any for the 10 m.m. mags.
I do see on the EAA website that the follower for the 10 m.m. and the .45 ACP are the same.
And since its a CZ clone, I'm going to see about getting some springs for a CZ 97B (.45 ACP).
Any info in this matter would help.
Regards,
BM1

Guys,
I'm asking about magazine springs.
Regards,
BM1

quote:

Originally posted by bad_man_ one:

quote:

Originally posted by bad_man_ one:
Well,
The 22# recoil spring did not cycle my target hand loads so I went back to the 20# spring.
Now,
Where can I get some extra power magazine springs, Wolff doesn't have any for the 10 m.m. mags.
I do see on the EAA website that the follower for the 10 m.m. and the .45 ACP are the same.
And since its a CZ clone, I'm going to see about getting some springs for a CZ 97B (.45 ACP).
Any info in this matter would help.
Regards,
BM1

Guys,
I'm asking about magazine springs.
Regards,
BM1

Picky,picky, just no pleasing some people.

Stock # for the Magazine springs is 74263 and that is the 5% extra power listed as for AT-84, CZ-75, TZ-75, P-9 AND Witness all calibers.

Hope this will get you fixed up.

Thanks Old Navy,
The 74263 that is listed on Wolff's site is a 10% spring but it is not for the EAA Witness-P 10 m.m.
That's what Wolff told me.
He is going to talk to EAA/Tangfoglio at the SHOT show, we'll see.
Regards,
BM1

quote:

Originally posted by bad_man_ one:
Thanks Old Navy,
The 74263 that is listed on Wolff's site is a 10% spring but it is not for the EAA Witness-P 10 m.m.
That's what Wolff told me.
He is going to talk to EAA/Tangfoglio at the SHOT show, we'll see.
Regards,
BM1

The P carry uses the same magazines as far as I have been told. You could call EAA and ask or check out their website to see if they are different, but I seem to remember that they all use the same magazines, Steel, Polly and P Carry, only difference are number of rounds held, ie compact or full size gun.

quote:

The P carry uses the same magazines as far as I have been told. You could call EAA and ask or check out their website to see if they are different, but I seem to remember that they all use the same magazines, Steel, Polly and P Carry, only difference are number of rounds held, ie compact or full size gun.

I'll check with EAA on Monday on the part numbers and on how many magazine springs they use in the Witness-P fullsize for all the calibers.
Regards,
BM1

quote:

Originally posted by Old Navy:

quote:

Originally posted by bad_man_ one:
Thanks Old Navy,
The 74263 that is listed on Wolff's site is a 10% spring but it is not for the EAA Witness-P 10 m.m.
That's what Wolff told me.
He is going to talk to EAA/Tangfoglio at the SHOT show, we'll see.
Regards,
BM1

The P carry uses the same magazines as far as I have been told. You could call EAA and ask or check out their website to see if they are different, but I seem to remember that they all use the same magazines, Steel, Polly and P Carry, only difference are number of rounds held, ie compact or full size gun.

This is the same impression that I had. The EAA/Tanfoglio and CZ magazine springs were, indeed, interchangeable. (This is what their web catalog conveyed to me!)

I hope that what I stated wasn't confusing.

Scott

Went to the range again today and shot the EAA Tanfoglio Witness-P 10 m.m.
I backed the recoil spring down from the 20# Wolff to an 18# because it wasn't feeding my reloads.
It seemed like the slide was either cycling to quick with the 20# spring and/or the magazine springs are weak,
as I suspect.
The 18# spring did the trick for today, I am so imperssed with this firearm.
But, if I ever get some better mag springs, I will go back to the 20# recoil spring,
it's much better with the hotter loads.
My search is still on for some stronger mag springs.
Regards,
BM1

Order a set of those Wolff springs, like I did. All the Witness guns use the same magazines and ye.s the guns are very impressive. The 20 lb spring will only be needed if you are planing to do some very hot hand loading and exceading the original 10mm Norma loadings. If I want to do that I will buy a S&W 610 for that type of loading and shooting

Spoke to EAA via email and they told me that "the magazine springs are caliber specific".
I was at my local dealer yesterday disassembling many different CZ magazines to compare the springs,
they are similar but wouldn't allow the full 15 rounds into the mag.
I was told that maybe a mag spring from a Magnum Research Baby Eagle in .45 ACP might work.
The search continues.....
Regards,
BM1

quote:

Originally posted by bad_man_ one:
Spoke to EAA via email and they told me that "the magazine springs are caliber specific".
I was at my local dealer yesterday disassembling many different CZ magazines to compare the springs,
they are similar but wouldn't allow the full 15 rounds into the mag.
I was told that maybe a mag spring from a Magnum Research Baby Eagle in .45 ACP might work.
The search continues.....
Regards,
BM1

All I can tell you is the Wolff springs I gave you the number for work great in both my 15 & 12 round magazines. I have told you what has worked in my Witness magazines for about a year now, from here on I can't be of any more help. Happy shooting and hope you get the problem solved.