http://www.goshen-hexsite.com/
Please let me introduce you to Tim Sheehan. He is a gunsmith and also makes custom holsters. He is also the inventor of the HexSite. Law enforcement departments all over the US are converting to this unique pistol sight. Thought you might enjoy looking at his web page and learning about this sight. I believe this to be the ultimate sight for self defense. Although developed for Glock semi-autos, the HexSite can be adapted to any pistol.
You may contact Tim by phone at 928.284.1483, by email at tacsite@goshen-hexsite.com, or USPS at PO Box 20489, Sedona AZ 86351.
I vouch that Tim is as honest as the day is long and that he does excellent work!
(PS. I am in no way connected to Tim Sheehan or Goshen-HexSite in anyway except for the work he does on my firearms.)

Useless gimmick.

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Law enforcement departments all over the US are converting to this unique pistol sight.

Would you be so kind to provide a list of those departments?

Agreed, would like to see the list myself.

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Originally posted by montezumaz:
http://www.goshen-hexsite.com/
Please let me introduce you to Tim Sheehan. He is a gunsmith and also makes custom holsters. He is also the inventor of the HexSite. Law enforcement departments all over the US are converting to this unique pistol sight. Thought you might enjoy looking at his web page and learning about this sight. I believe this to be the ultimate sight for self defense. Although developed for Glock semi-autos, the HexSite can be adapted to any pistol.
You may contact Tim by phone at 928.284.1483, by email at tacsite@goshen-hexsite.com, or USPS at PO Box 20489, Sedona AZ 86351.
I vouch that Tim is as honest as the day is long and that he does excellent work!
(PS. I am in no way connected to Tim Sheehan or Goshen-HexSite in anyway except for the work he does on my firearms.)

I believe this is the "sight" Mike Conti said was a great idea in a recent article. This from the guy who thinks that use of sights is a bad idea and that Jeff Cooper is the cause of all of the ills of police everywhere because Conti believes you should not use the sights.

These Hex sights and Mike Conti both need to take a bow and exit the stage.

I have a HexSite installed on my M&P9. It was a custom install where the pistol had to go to Arizona. I like these sights because they work for me. They also seem to work for my students who are exposed to them in my shooting classes. Thus far everyone who has taken a look at them and/or shot them on my guns thinks they are an improvement over the sights now on their guns. FYI I have a Ghost Ring night sight on my XD40 Tactical. I keep it around to show to those people who claim this is just a take off on the ghost ring. Side by side comparisons quickly shows that this is not the case. Once Goshen offers a self install sight for the XD the Ghost ring will go as well.

The Hexsite works especially well for shooters who have eye accomodation problems or visual acuity problems. For those shooters which includes myself they are a godsend. My eyes simply cannot focus on the front sight because my arms are not long enough. With the HexSite these issues vanish.

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jbfla, Could you post pics of the sights on your M&P?

Just as soon as I can get my digital camera working again (I left the battery charger in a hotel on my last trip) I will take some shots and post them.

A form of peep sight, nothing new.

To TAC,
Please enlighten me regarding your specific experience with the HexSight since you say it is nothing new. Based on your comments you surely must have put them on your gun and actually shot with them to decide they represented nothing new.

I know the sights work for me and that is the experience I am reporting. The reason I have posted is to share my experiences with others, especially those readers of this forum who have eye accomodation problems or visual acuity issues.

The closest thing to the HexSite is a Ghost Ring and I have that one also so I have done a side by side comparison visually and at the range. Simply put they are not comparable and do not yield the same results.

However, I will grant that the Hexsites are not on the must buy list for everyone. In my shooting classes the eyes of younger shooters seem to be able to make the accomodation needed to focus on the front sight and then switch to the target and back again as needed. The ability of the eyes of older shooters to make this accomodation degrades with age and many of them simply cannot focus on a front sight of any type. This is the situation where the HexSite really shines. They work for everyone but they really are appreciated by the older shooters as they reduce or eliminate the amount of eye accomodation needed to successfully use the sights.

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Originally posted by jbfla:
To TAC,
Please enlighten me regarding your specific experience with the HexSight since you say it is nothing new. Based on your comments you surely must have put them on your gun and actually shot with them to decide they represented nothing new.

No I have not used the HexSight, it's not necessary to actually use it to understand how it works. I went to their web site and read about it, how it should be used, and how it works, and as I said, it's another form of peep sight. I didn't make any negative comments, I didn't claim it doesn't work.

I have to question their claim (and yours) that you do not look at the front sight. All of their illustrations show the front sight is in use. If you're not looking at the front sight, they why do you still need one, and why do they include a set of three different front sights?

FROM THE WEB SITE:

3) Also included in the set are three varying height Front Sights, with the much improved "honeycombed" sight face to better accommodate the fast and consistent "Zero" on each pistol.

I also have to question your comment:

"I have a HexSite installed on my M&P9. It was a custom install where the pistol had to go to Arizona."

Yet their advertising claims this:

2) And a totally new "user friendly" mounting system that does not require custom fitting or gunsmithing.

Are their claims not to be believed?

Round peep sights, or ghost sights as you describe, have been in use for many years. The military used them on the M1 Garand, the M16, and others. They are also the preferred standard for iron sights used by professional target shooters.

With the HexSite I look through the sight with both eyes open and my eyes focus on the target not the sights. So in that sense I do look at the sights but they are quiet fuzzy. The target is clear. Being able to do this was quiet liberating for me. See my previous comments on my eyes.

The reason I posted here is to make forum readers aware that this sight could be installed on an M&P since mine pioneered the way. Sure it is a custom install but since this sight works for me the cost was a minor issue for me. I like to shoot different guns but I have decided I wanted the same sight on the guns I shoot. I find having a consistent sight makes switching from gun to gun much easier.

My M&P is one of my favorite guns to shoot and I wanted a HexSite on it. Therefore I had Tim mount the sights on my gun. I am not aware of any current plans to make a user installed sight for the M&P. However, since Tim did my gun he now knows how to do it and with some engineering work it could become a stock product. If someone wanted a HexSite it is possible to get a custom install done on an M&P. Yes. Is it worth the cost? That depends upon one's needs and preferences.

My Grandson who just got back from Iraq carried a M4 that had optical sights so the military is moving away from iron sights.

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No actual experience here, but they look like the Diopter sights on a HK mp5, and those are supposed to be awesome.

Looks interesting from their site... I'm surely not expert enough to blow them off until I had firsthand experience with them.

Looks very interesting. Seems to be essentially a variation on the ghost ring with a plain post front sight. I like the ghost ring rear but like a fiber optic front sight of about 1/32 to 1/16-inch diameter with a 1/4-inch (or slightly larger) ghost ring. If I had a Glock, I would probably get the HexSite just to try it out. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, montezumas.

I had TruGlo fiber/tritium sights on my Glock when I first got the HexSite. Initially I left the TruGlo front sight on the gun after I put the HexSite on the rear. I too initially liked that glowing front sight. However, that defeated one of the major advantages of the HexSite as designed. That is the ability to look through the sight and focus on the target. With the TruGlo still on the front my brain kept wanting to focus on that glowing sight. Once I mounted the HexSite front sight, I was able to use the sight the way it was designed. Now I shoot with both eyes open and with a target focus. That front sight is there but does not draw my eyes to it.

This may not seem like much of a big deal to some of the readers of this forum. However, I am left eye dominant and I shoot with my right hand. That combination produces a pretty fair amount double image when I look through the HexSite. It took practice for my brain to learn which image to pay attention to. When I switch to my left hand and look through the HexSite I do not see a double image at all. I would shoot that way all of the time except a car accident caused damage to the nerves in my left arm and hand that makes it difficult for me to shoot from that side. My wife who is a right eye dominant and a right hand shooter uses a HexSite also. She never saw double images at the beginning. However, when I have her switch to her left hand the double image immediately shows up. Thus her non-dominant hand shooting is affected because her brain must struggle to resolve what it is seeing. If she picks the wrong image to use her shots will be way off.

FYI - due to the fact that our eyes are separated our brain always receives double images from the eyes, one image from each eye. It simply learns to resolve those images. Initial studies with the HexSite have identified as many as 16 different types of double images reported by HexSite users when they first encounter the sight. We suspect that much of the difficulty that people have with sight picture and sight alignment is caused by the difficulty people have in resolving these images when they look at their sights. The design of conventional sights appears to make this resolution somewhat difficult. Shooters like my wife who report little or no double images with the HexSite easily adapt to conventional sights. Shooters whose double images are very distinct have a lot more difficulty with conventional sights. As an aside they also adapt to the HexSite very quickly. A shooter who sees distinct double images will have the most difficulty with conventional sights since the brain has no way of determining which image to use and conventional sights do not provide the clues the brain needs to have to make a decision. I am sure some of the members on this forum who have taught others to shoot have run into students who just cannot get the hang of this sight picture/sight alignment thing. Only when we can understand why a student is having these types of problems can we begin to help them resolve the problem.

Thus far the HexSite has been the only tool that helps me diagnose what my shooter student is seeing when they actually look through the sights at the target. Right or left eye dominance is important but not conclusive. It seems to only have a weak correlation with eye/hand dominance. Knowing what kind of double image a shooter is seeing gives me specific information that I can work with to help the shooter resolve the double images. What I work with them to achieve is a target focus that is aligned with the sights they are looking through. The beauty of the HexSite is that it does provide the brain with specific clues that it can use for correct alignment. When my students are successfully using the HexSite their sights are blurry and their target is in sharp focus with the sights aligned correctly. Once their brain learns what image to accept sight picture and sight alignment issues go away and then I can concentrate on the other shooting fundamentals that still apply.