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I love those long barrels. There's something about them that I can't put my finger on.
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Yep, I know what you mean. For me it's hoping I'm never on the wrong end of something like this.... Shoo
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Originally posted by Buffalo Nichols:
Updated .44 Frontier Here's the updated chart: New Model #3 Serial #...Shipped............ Caliber & Type 2773 ...... Sept. 1, 1879 6561 ...... Aug. 9, 1881 .... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl, smooth wood grips 6740 ...... March 7, 1882 6763 ...... March 15, 1882 8823 ...... March 9, 1880 ... 44 Russian, 6" barrel, nickel 18099...... Nov. 11, 1883 24672...... Aug. 11, 1904 ... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5"bbl, checkered wood grips, Japan 26149.......October 1900... 44 Russian reblued, 6.5 " bbl, hard rubber grips, shipped to Japan 28501...... August 12, 1896 28035...... Sept. 4, 1893 ... 45 Schofield, blued 6.5" bbl, hard rubber grips, target sights, England 31779...... Aug. 7, 1899 34040...... May 24, 1904 .....44 Russian, 6.5" bbl, target sights, blue 35102...... Dec. 28, 1915 ... 44 Russian, 5"Bbl, TgtSites, Non-rebounding Hmr, Nickel. 35602.......Ltr pending ...... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl. target sights, cut for shoulder stock New Model #3 Target 2001 ...... Mar. 30, 1893 2100 ...... May 1, 1894, St Louis, Mo.... 38-44 3384 ...... May 11, 1899 3789 ...... I got the barrel 6.5 ", 38-44, Post 1899 single line barrel address, caliber marked, for 1 9/16 length cylinder, don't know where the rest of the gun is. New Model #3 Frontier 44/40 52 .......... May 13, 1891 981 ........ Dec 11, 1893 .... 5"bbl, blued, hard rubber grips[/quote] >>>11808......Dec 31, 1900... 6" nickel, HR Grips..Monkey Wards, Chicago Dean SWCA #680 |
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Dean,
Can you verify the serial number? There were only 2072 of these in 44-40 ie. the Frontier Model, seperate serial number group. Yours is well outside the known range. Thanks, Buff |
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I finally took the time to read thru these 5 pages and I have to tell you that I can see good points presented here, and the perspective of a newby to No. 3 S&W vs. the experience of years of collecting from people like Mike Priwer. A poor data base is better than none at all, I would have to agree, but why have a poor one when a better one is just as easy to build - Get ALL the data on a gun, not just the serial numer and ship date, and the data becomes much more useable. List all the features and then knowledge is increased many times. The data base then can provide information that will fit different focuses equally well. There are some records, held by a few collectors, that tell when a particular guns was buit. These are the Foreman's Day Book. These guns were built by workers paid by piece rate, working under Foremen who kept records by serial number of each gun as it passed thru their particular work station or function, so the pay rate based on the number of parts or functions a worker performed could be calculated. Only a few of these Day Books are in the CVHM S&W archives. The ones I've examined are held by a few collectors. I have sat down with the factory shipping ledgers and copied down serial numbers & shipping destinations of No. 3s that did not go to M.W. Robinson. Probably 80+% went to them. Someone mentioned Ser. Nos 1 to 5 as being shipped much later - this was because the practice at S&W until end of WW2 was to set aside the first 5 or so of each model for presentation to factory brass or VIPs. Often these guns sat at the factory for extended time periods or were returned to S&W by recipients at a later date and were eventually sold off in regular channels, creating a late shipping date entry in the records. Ser. No. 1 of a commercial model usually went to the factory museum, or the Rotunda display, and No. 2 thru 5 went to a Wesson family member or VIP. Alsolet me add another caliber to the list of No. 3. It is .22LR rimfire. After the 3rd model Single Shot production stopped, harol Wesson sent letters to the top revolver shooters and asked what they would like to see as a design for the new 4th model Single Shot, which eventually came out as the Straight Line. Some replies indicated that a No. 3 Model in .22 Single Shot was desired. American Model Serial No. 22710, in my collection is a .22RF caliber single shot conversion. Roy Jinks says he has seen two of these, including mine, however we have not been able to prove they are protypes made by S&W. My gun is a masterpiece of serious gunsmithing however, equal to any factory product. Guns like this are what makes all this worthwhile! Ed.
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Ed, good points all. I agree. A fellow like me who knows pretty much nothing about the Model 3 series other than what I've read on the web and a few other articles, is probably not the person to put together a chart of data. It would be great if a knowledgeable collector would put together a chart that was accessible by the rest of us.
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Neat project!
Here's some more. -- Jim Here's the updated chart: New Model #3 Serial #...Shipped............ Caliber & Type 2773 ...... Sept. 1, 1879 3201 ...... Dec. 29, 1880. 3654 ...... Jan. 2, 1882 ...... 6” barrel. 6561 ...... Aug. 9, 1881 .... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl, smooth wood grips 6740 ...... March 7, 1882 6763 ...... March 15, 1882 8823 ...... March 9, 1880 ... 44 Russian, 6" barrel, nickel 10318 ...... Sept. 18, 1880 ...... British patent model. 10732 ...... Sept. 22, 1880 ...... Cuba 11476 ...... April 4, 1880 ...... appears to be Young factory engraved. 12632 ...... May 22, 1880 12754 ...... Sept. 22, 1880 ...... Cuba 13301 & 13302 ...... April 8, 1878 ...... pair shipped to “F.W. Currier, Ft. Bayard NM”. Anyone recognize the name? 13448 ...... Feb. 18, 1880 ...... records show 5.5” barrel; actual measurement 4.5” appears to be original. 15763 ...... Sept. 29, 1882 15776 ...... Sept. 29, 1882 ...... to Mexico 16071 ...... Feb. 28, 1883 16172 ...... Mar. 1, 1884 17871 ...... Oct. 7, 1886 ...... 5” barrel, nickel. 18099...... Nov. 11, 1883 19321 ...... Sept. 4, 1886 19527 ...... June 5, 1883 19647 ...... Aug. 25, 1886 ...... period non-factory inscribed “Wm. Sweeney from W.F.C.” 20568 ...... June 27, 1892 ...... probably non-factory numerals on backstrap 20740 ...... Dec. 17, 1892 to W.E. Petty, champion shooter, NYPD firearms instructor. 21071 ...... June 26, 1893 ...... probably non-factory inscribed “J. Baxter Gardner” ...... anyone recognize name? 22958 ...... Dec. 29, 1894 ...... Japns. 23708 ...... Mar. 4, 1887 ...... 4 inch barrel. 23378 ...... Jan. 31, 1888 ...... w/ shoulder stock. 23985 ...... Oct. 14, 1886 ...... 5” barrel. 24093 ...... May 22, 1891 ...... special order ...... found w/ 4” barrel, not confirmed or denied by factory records. 24672...... Aug. 11, 1904 ... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5"bbl, checkered wood grips, Japan 24989 ...... July 20, 1891 ...... 5” barrel, shipped to target shooter W.F. Sheard. 25909 ...... June 27, 1890 ...... 6” barrel, US Govt. 26136 ...... Jan. 28, 1890 26149.......October 1900... 44 Russian reblued, 6.5 " bbl, hard rubber grips, shipped to Japan 26183 ...... Mar. 15, 1890 ...... after-factory French distributor marked. 26196 ...... June 27, 1890 ...... US Govt. 26877 ...... Oct. 4, 1890 27362 ...... Oct. 23, 1894 ...... Rev. Ctr. Svc. 27854 ...... Jan. 24, 1893 27917 ...... Nov. 11, 1893 ...... blue, target sights, Young engraved w/ panel scene, shipped to target champion Oscar Olson. 28035...... Sept. 4, 1893 ... 45 Schofield, blued 6.5" bbl, hard rubber grips, target sights, England 28094 ...... Sept. 7, 1896 ...... .45 caliber to W.E. Petty (see s/n 20740) 28501...... August 12, 1896 30503 ...... May 12, 1904 ...... 31303 ...... Oct. 28, 1896 ...... Jap. 31779...... Aug. 7, 1899 33831 ...... Oct. 12, 1901 ...... .455 Mk. II caliber, 7.5” barrel 34040...... May 24, 1904 .....44 Russian, 6.5" bbl, target sights, blue 35102...... Dec. 28, 1915 ... 44 Russian, 5"Bbl, TgtSites, Non-rebounding Hmr, Nickel. 35305 ...... July 25, 1907 ...... 8”, target sights, blue, to “John Austen” (anyone recognize name?). Found w/ a peep sight blade in rear sight. 35602.......Ltr pending ...... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl. target sights, cut for shoulder stock 35614 ...... Oct. 29, 1907 35634 ...... Sept. 28, 1908 to Montana Jack. 35649 ...... July 29, 1908 35796 ...... June 1, 1908 ...... The last NM#3 manufactured. New Model #3 Target 508 ...... Dec. 19, 1891 ...... .32-44, w/ a spare barrel & cylinder in .44 numbered to the gun but not mentioned in factory records. 686 ...... Oct. 9, 1889 1230 ...... May 15, 1889 ...... .38-44 2001 ...... Mar. 30, 1893 2100 ...... May 1, 1894, St Louis, Mo.... 38-44 2481 ...... July 23, 1896 ...... .32-44. Non-factory inscribed “PRESENTED TO HENRY C. THWING” (anyone recognize the name?) 2956 ...... Sept. 17, 1898 3125 ...... Feb. 27, 1897 ...... undocumented attribution to target champion Gus Peret. 3384 ...... May 11, 1899 3433 ...... May 24, 1900 3533 ...... Sept. 6, 1900 ...... nickel, 4” barrel, Oscar Young factory engraved No. 2 style, factory pearl grips, shipped to Eben C. Sodentown (anyone recognize the name?) 3658 ...... April 4, 1901 ...... .38-44 3730 ...... May 25, 1901 ...... .38-44 w/ matching numbered spare barrel & cylinder in .44 cal. 3789 ...... I got the barrel 6.5 ", 38-44, Post 1899 single line barrel address, caliber marked, for 1 9/16 length cylinder, don't know where the rest of the gun is. New Model #3 Frontier 44/40 3 ...... Jan. 28, 1887 52 .......... May 13, 1891 691 ...... April 12, 1893 ...... 4” barrel. 981 ........ Dec 11, 1893 .... 5"bbl, blued, hard rubber grips[/quote] 11808......Dec 31, 1900... 6" nickel, HR Grips..Monkey Wards, Chicago - Comment: any chance this is a Frontier DA rather than NM#3? TURKISH MODEL 702 ...... Dec. 20, 1880 REVOLVING RIFLES 516 ...... April 14-1884 ...... Factory engraved w/ rosewood stock & forend. 651 ...... April 19, 1890 ...... to J.C. Flack (anyone recognize the name?) 812 ...... Oct. 28, 1883 38 WINCHESTER MODEL 18 ...... Oct. 2, 1903 ...... 5” barrel. 34 ...... June 17, 1903 37 ...... Dec. 20, 1902 |
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Way to go Colonel Supica! See you in Tulsa. I'm bringing a few on list along.
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Excellent Jim! That chart is getting more interesting all the time.
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TURKISH MODEL 702 ...... Dec. 20, 1880 REVOLVING RIFLES 516 ...... April 14-1884 ...... Factory engraved w/ rosewood stock & forend. 651 ...... April 19, 1890 ...... to J.C. Flack (anyone recognize the name?) 812 ...... Oct. 28, 1883 38 WINCHESTER MODEL 18 ...... Oct. 2, 1903 ...... 5” barrel. 34 ...... June 17, 1903 37 ...... Dec. 20, 1902[/QUOTE] Dean SWCA #680 |
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I am not a "knowledgeable collector" so much as an intereted hobbiest. That said I will happy to organize and share any data anyone choose to provide for this list. And I look forward to visiting will all of you that come to Tulsa.
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So this info won't fall off the end of the world, I've posted a link to it in the FAQ file -- you can find it there quicker if you're looking for it. -- Jim
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