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Just picked this up today !! 1905 4th change?
Serial # 84678 Need period grips for it ( any one?) came with 2 sets of dies, 600 pcs new Brass, 50 rds once fired brass, 600 rds penn bullets and 500 rds of new ammo         Shows very little wear I would rate it at 97% Thanks for looking Fred I want to die like my Grandfather, in his sleep. Not like the passengers in his car,screaming!! |
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Gun should be about early 1920, so either gold medallions, or convex non-medallion
would be OK. Its right at the point where the grips change. How about a good picture of the left side of the frame ? I'd like to see what the ends of the studs look like. Later, Mike Priwer |
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Mike is this good enough?   Fred I want to die like my Grandfather, in his sleep. Not like the passengers in his car,screaming!! |
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Looks like he got a good one Mike. The cylinder does seem to have a purple hue but that could be the light.
DW "The best gun I ever found was the one I wasn't looking for." DW It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. "Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he's too old to fight. he'll just kill you." SWCA #1789 |
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DW, The purple hue is the light. "whats a good one" ? Fred I want to die like my Grandfather, in his sleep. Not like the passengers in his car,screaming!! |
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Paul
I think its been refinished. Look at the ends of the trigger stud, and the rebound slide spring stud. The hammer stud also looks to be polished flat.  Regards, Mike Priwer |
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I don't know Mike. Seems to be some reflection around the studs. A little better pic maybe?
Paul "The best gun I ever found was the one I wasn't looking for." DW It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. "Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he's too old to fight. he'll just kill you." SWCA #1789 |
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Paul
I checked two of my .38's from 1920 - 1921, and they both have a polished flat trigger stud - so I am wrong about that. But - they both have very rounded pin ends for the rebound slide spring retaining stud. To me , that stud end looks flat, in the picture. So yes - we could use a better picture of that part of the frame . The pin is the one that is just to the left of the frame cutout for the top of the stock. Also, there is question about the logo. This gun has none - both of mine have the small logo on the left side of the frame. I know there is a discussion about the presence of the logo in this time-frame. Later, Mike Priwer |
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Mike and Paul, thanks for your input!!
I will try to take some better pictures when life does not interfer with my play time. Any idea of value either way? Best Fred I want to die like my Grandfather, in his sleep. Not like the passengers in his car,screaming!! |
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Fred
Its very much dependent on the originality of the finish. If that is an original 97% finish, then its perhaps a $700 to $800 gun, maybe more. The grips take something away, and obviously the original ones are gone. The gun would need a near-mint pair, to go with the condition, so thats at least $100 for a good pair of proper grips. You would have to find someone who wanted a 97% gun, but its probably worth that much. On the other hand, if its been refinished, then its probably a $350 to $450 gun. If Lee or David are around, they might have a different, and perhaps better, estimate of what they could sell it for . Or, what they could buy it for ! I should add that I collect target rvolvers, not M&P's . Here, I can only estimate what I think it ought to be worth. If Lee and/or David tell me I am completely wrong, then I am. Later, Mike Priwer |
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Hi Fred,
I held off on this one, not knowing how you would take it, IF it is refinished. I have suspicions that it is. I just can't see the rebound slide stud that Mike wants to see, but other points bother me. I almost have an "intuition" or "radar" if you will. The points that bother me- My initial impression, the hardest point here to define, is the general "softness" of edges I see. This softness is mainly around the front corner of the frame. It could just be the pics- no offense. I am VERY troubled by the LACK of case colors on the hammer and trigger of a 98-99% gun. They "cleaned" them up, but did not blue them. 7th pic down- do I see one pinpoint pit on the ejector rod, and two tiny pits in the white stripe of light above the barrel lug? Mike, you are spot-on. An original gun in that cond, with proper grips, yes to $700-800, assuming good bore/mechanics. Refinished, with elk stags, $350-400. Maybe more to the guy who likes it. I tend to think that gun had gold med grips. The logos on the frame came back when they took the meds off the grips. One of the "D" catalogs talks about deleting grip med's, and moving the trademark to the frame "where it can't be taken off". Regards, Lee Jarrett SWCA Life Member #418 SWHF Founding Member #118 See my website at: noconeetrader.com |
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Lee, are you talking about where the trigger guard in the front starts don't come down to a sharp point, and the edges roll? Just trying to learn. Is that what is soft? Plus doesn't the trigger pin look flat to you?
Later, John WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE. |
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Thanks guys for all the great input. As one said this is a learning exp.
I have $425 into the gun. Duh!!! I just checked the bore!!It is Bright and shiney and strong rifleing. Looks like it was shoot very little. Where do we go from here? I will try to get more pics asap. Thanks again for all the great inupt Best Fred I want to die like my Grandfather, in his sleep. Not like the passengers in his car,screaming!! |
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Lee, no insult taken that is why I posted here. There is a broader base of experts on this forum then most anywhere else. Sometimes we pay to much in the heat of the moment so IT does not get away, and sometimes we find a Diamond in the ruff. I need and want all the input when I post!!! Best Fred I want to die like my Grandfather, in his sleep. Not like the passengers in his car,screaming!! |
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I mean the "arcs" in front of TG have soft edges, as well as front corner edge of frame- the corner in front of trigger guard. Yes, trigger pin is flat, but they flattened them about this time, so NOT an indicator. As Mike said "I checked two of my .38's from 1920 - 1921, and they both have a polished flat trigger stud" We need better pics. Regards, Lee Jarrett SWCA Life Member #418 SWHF Founding Member #118 See my website at: noconeetrader.com |
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