I know these have been discussed before, but I can't find where. Now that one resides with me, I'd love to open that discussion again to see if there is any new information or insight. Thanks much...

This is an M&P 1905 4th change "target" with fixed sights.

I have a .455 second model hand ejector that has been modified but it has this exact same rear sight! I always thought someone modified the rear sight too but now I think this gun might have been orignally a fixed sight target too? I guess I really need to get a letter on it now.....

Mike

How is that front sight blade mounted ? Is it like Pauls, with the
cross-cut dovetail ? Or is that blade pressed in, or what ?

Regards, Mike Priwer

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Originally posted by mikepriwer:
Mike

How is that front sight blade mounted ?

Regards, Mike Priwer

Hi Mike

No dovetail and no evidence of press fit. It looks as though the base, up to the step visible in the picture, is forged with the barrel. The top portion looks to have been welded afterward and then the serrations added and blued together. There are no pins or visible notches. The is no discernable difference in the bluing throughout the sight or the rest of the revolver, for that matter.

I recognized the sight shape when I first got the gun and found where I saw it in Neal/Jinks. Its on a regulation police from Roy's collection radiographed in the appendix. No serrations there though.

Beautiful gun, Pace. What a catch!

Thanks, Jerry

Did you purchase this gun from David or is it the one I saw in Utah?
DW

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Originally posted by DWFAN:
Did you purchase this gun from David or is it the one I saw in Utah?
DW

From David, DW. We spoke about yours as well and I couldn't resist the chase to see where it came from.

Dang it. It looks like I won't get that one.

Just so you know, I have fondled and lusted over your gun. I was meaning to talk to him about it but that didn't happen.
DW

Seeing as this is the subject matter. SN 755556. Other people besides myself contend this and the gun pace now owns are indeed factory guns. There are two other guns, one like mine and one like Paces that are virtually identical to each other. These guns have a lot of similarity to the early Olympic guns. Who knows, I may be all wet, but a lot of other people are all wet to.
DW

Whats the hammer on that one?

DWFAN, As you may know, Larry Slaten in AZ. has two of these .38s with the fixed rear target sight and I have a Model 1917, ser. # 94027, shipped to the USA at Springfield Armory. Jinks insists there is no factory record of producing any such guns and that they are all after market gunsmith creations, for unknown reasons. Like you, I tried to rationalize my gun as having been done at the factory , as the gun smithing work is supurb. After thing it over, I decided a better theory for my gun, being a US ordered Model 1917, was that pistol matches at the time allowed shooters to fire service issue handguns in the service pistol matches with "target" type sights, if the rear sights were non-adjustable. Therefore a military member of the Army shooting team had Springfield add the fixed sights to a Model 1917 for the Service Matches. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! That doesn't explain these .38s around however. Ed.

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Originally posted by Pontiaker:
Whats the hammer on that one?

King double cockeyed.

Cool, thanks.

My .455 that also has this same rear sight has also never left the States, has no import markings at all.Now I cant wait to ge it lettered and see where it shipped to.

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Originally posted by DWFAN:
Dang it. It looks like I won't get that one.

DW

Sorry, DW. It'll live here for a while but if it decides to move, you'll get 1st notice.

I have owned a couple Colt's with exactly the same front and rear sight conversion.

I believe the work was done by King's. Maybe one of our memembers who has an old King's catalog can check. It was called their fixed target sight conversion.