I suggest you go back an review the data again and do a recount.

Tom,
Be patient, if Bill finds a 4" as nice as yours, (although I must admit that will be all but impossible), they will become rare again!

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Originally posted by 230grfmj:
I think I am getting closer to an answer based on facts regarding the question of “how many pre war 4” Heavy Dutys were made” now based on some more definitive data I located.

So if others are known survivors based on letters or other intelligence that you have gathered and now possess, I wonder why they are not listed in the S&WCA list of survivors too??

Perhaps you could post some of the "definitive data" that you located, as apparently 1Aspenhill is not conducting his research to your satisfaction. Does your "definitive data" consist of just the 4" Heavy Duty revolvers chambered in .38 S&W Special, or are you trying to count the mythical ones that were chambered in .44 S&W Special?

Regardless of what 1Aspenhill finds in his ongoing exhaustive research of the .38/44 Heavy Duty, I'm sure you can continue to advertise your gun as one of the rarest of the rare.

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Originally posted by stbryson:

quote:

Originally posted by 230grfmj:
I think I am getting closer to an answer based on facts regarding the question of “how many pre war 4” Heavy Dutys were made” now based on some more definitive data I located.

So if others are known survivors based on letters or other intelligence that you have gathered and now possess, I wonder why they are not listed in the S&WCA list of survivors too??

Perhaps you could post some of the "definitive data" that you located, as apparently 1Aspenhill is not conducting his research to your satisfaction. Does your "definitive data" consist of just the 4" Heavy Duty revolvers chambered in .38 S&W Special, or are you trying to count the mythical ones that were chambered in .44 S&W Special?

Regardless of what 1Aspenhill finds in his ongoing exhaustive research of the .38/44 Heavy Duty, I'm sure you can continue to advertise your gun as one of the rarest of the rare.

Hey Stevie,

Why don't you post a snap shot of one of yours to support your critisim of Mr. Harvey.

Otherwise, you have no ligitimate standing.

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Originally posted by Sebago Son:
Hey Stevie,

Why don't you post a snap shot of one of yours to support your critisim of Mr. Harvey.

Otherwise, you have no ligitimate standing.

Hey Drewie,

Is that a Forum rule or an SS rule? I'm sorry - I don't have one of the elusive 4" Heavy Duty revolvers - in either .38 S&W Special or .44 S&W Special (at least not a pre-war one).

I'll tell you what - how about if I post a photo of a 4" pre-war gun I do have. It is not as rare as a pre-war 4" Heavy Duty, but it is not that common, either. And it is a .44 S&W Special, which apparently they chambered in some Heavy Duty revolvers, at least according to 230grfmj's interpretation of the 1938 & 1940 S&W catalogs.

I am trying to figure out if it is the precursor to the .38/44 Heavy Duty chambered in .44 S&W Special - that would make it a rare bird, indeed. I am hoping that 230grfmj will post some of the "definitive data" that he has located, as I am just a neophyte when it comes to this advanced collecting stuff.

Hey - here's an idea. How about you post a photo of one of your guns? Then your criticism might have some legitimate standing of its own.

Hey Stevie Boy, I'm not the one trying to make a reputation built on 1Aspinhill's collection or Tom Harvey's reputation.

Unlike yourself, I don't need to prove anything.

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Originally posted by Sebago Son:
Hey Stevie Boy, I'm not the one trying to make a reputation built on 1Aspinhill's collection or Tom Harvey's reputation.

Unlike yourself, I don't need to prove anything.

Hey SS Man,

Is that your way of saying that you aren't going to post any photos? Silly me, I didn't even realize that I was trying to prove something, or that I was trying to make a reputation. You're kind of like that Ghost Whisperer lady who sees things that others can't.

I certainly don't aspire to make a reputation built on 1Aspenhill's collection, as I doubt that anyone can equal 1Aspenhill's collection of, and devotion to, the .38/44 Heavy Duty. As to Tom Harvey's reputation - well, you probably have a different view of what that is than I do.

You certainly prove that you can Flourish at times......C'mon, SS Man, post a photo of one of your guns. Pretty please?

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Originally posted by stbryson:

quote:

Originally posted by Sebago Son:
Hey Stevie Boy, I'm not the one trying to make a reputation built on 1Aspinhill's collection or Tom Harvey's reputation.

Unlike yourself, I don't need to prove anything.

C'mon, SS Man, post a photo of one of your guns. Pretty please?

Okay, I will but everyone else can see them and not you..... you're not worthy.

X

So what do you fellas think.... like my guns or what?

quote:

Originally posted by stbryson:

Perhaps you could post some of the "definitive data" that you located, as apparently 1Aspenhill is not conducting his research to your satisfaction. Does your "definitive data" consist of just the 4" Heavy Duty revolvers chambered in .38 S&W Special, or are you trying to count the mythical ones that were chambered in .44 S&W Special?

Regardless of what 1Aspenhill finds in his ongoing exhaustive research of the .38/44 Heavy Duty, I'm sure you can continue to advertise your gun as one of the rarest of the rare.

Steve,

The data contained in the S&WCA site is not information that is be taken from that private group and shared publically. Since I believe you are a member of the association too, I hope you are taking advantage of all the information that is there and look at it now & then.

You might find it interesting to look at the pre war Heavy Duty data base and do your own count and see how many 4" guns are listed. I counted 16.

BTW, I am referring to Heavy Dutys chambered in .38, althouth the sales catalogs in the late 1930s did state that model could be ordered in .44 Special too.

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Originally posted by Sebago Son:

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Originally posted by stbryson:

quote:

Originally posted by Sebago Son:
Hey Stevie Boy, I'm not the one trying to make a reputation built on 1Aspinhill's collection or Tom Harvey's reputation.

Unlike yourself, I don't need to prove anything.

C'mon, SS Man, post a photo of one of your guns. Pretty please?

Okay, I will but everyone else can see them and not you..... you're not worthy.

X

So what do you fellas think.... like my guns or what?

Drew, finally you post a awesome pic. That, my friend is impressive....
I've been to your house twice and never seen those two. What are you doing this weekend.
I am seriously thinking of coming down for another visit Pull those puppies out of the safe, I want to see them!!!! In person.

Giz

Drew, That revolver is amazing! Please consider sending it to Louisiana in the unlikely event that you tire of it.

Thanks Fellas..... Michael Stern shoots some nice photos doesn't he?

Giz, come on over... my house is your house. Pals are welcome here anytime.

Many, we could trade... you know these pre-war guns really aren't my cup of tea.... even a matched set such these.... in this kind of conditon with the correct boxes and tools they should be in the CVHS Museum, not stuffed in a couple of Hunter holsters and dragged around on my trapline....

Drew,

Good to see you start posting again. Your collection needs to be displayed here more often.

Hey! The gangs all here!,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! SS Man, you should really take your act on the road - stand up comedy might be your forte. I know I am not worthy enough to see the beautiful pictures of your fabulous guns - I told you I was a neophyte at this advanced collecting stuff.

I hope that if you send that gorgeous revolver to lowriderfxr you include the box - I don't know if I could make it through another round of the whining if he had to pay five grand for one again.

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Originally posted by 230grfmj:

quote:

Originally posted by stbryson:

Perhaps you could post some of the "definitive data" that you located, as apparently 1Aspenhill is not conducting his research to your satisfaction. Does your "definitive data" consist of just the 4" Heavy Duty revolvers chambered in .38 S&W Special, or are you trying to count the mythical ones that were chambered in .44 S&W Special?

Steve,

The data contained in the S&WCA site is not information that is be taken from that private group and shared publically. Since I believe you are a member of the association too, I hope you are taking advantage of all the information that is there and look at it now & then.

You might find it interesting to look at the pre war Heavy Duty data base and do your own count and see how many 4" guns are listed. I counted 16.

Ahhh, 230grfmj, when you say you located "definitive data", what you really mean is that you poached the data that someone else painstakingly compiled. I understand the sensitivity of taking information from the private SWCA group and sharing it publicly. That is why I am so surprised that you would post the number of 4" Heavy Duty revolvers that you counted on that site. Can you give me the guidelines that you use to determine if the information from the SWCA site can be posted here?

Are you guys related to each other?

Say whatever you want about me.... it'll probably be true.....and I couldn't care less frankly, you're entertainment to me that's all....

But to inpune the reputation of a fine man such as Tom Harvey really makes you look like an asshole.