As these kinds of training films go, this is pretty good. If you got no other way to deal with some botched 7-11 robbery you get in the middle of by accident, this could come in damn handy
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f55_1206244475

When I read gun kata I thought it would be more of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tINWl0gzQWI

http://www.gunkatta.com/home.htm

Good stuff.

Pretty neat!!!! But, it can happen only in Hollywood.......where the Bad Guys wait their turn. Bob

I wouldn't be so quick to say that, Bob, but I do think that if anyone ever hopes to get those techniques to the point of being workable, they had better practice them religiously for a long time and with different people. There's a lot to go wrong. I'm guessing that some people who are naturally highly coordinated might master them and others never would get them down.

If that was a real gun, those guys are idiots! No one ever checked the gun to make sure it's not loaded. They also had their finger on the trigger!

Well the gun safety in that film was a given. The instructor handed his assistant his gun which he had no doubt already cleared for the exercise or it was a training piece he was carrying.
I think that some basic knowledge of these techniques is dang well worth knowing. If you get caught in the middle of some blown hold up while in a convenience store or whatever, and you do not see it ending well otherwise, go for it and then shoot the asshat with his own gun.
I am going to quess that holding a Glock fotee in the ghetto sideways position would let you take the gun away from the idiot alot easier. I just do not see gangsta wannabe's practicing weapons retention skills

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Originally posted by armadillo66:
Well the gun safety in that film was a given. The instructor handed his assistant his gun which he had no doubt already cleared for the exercise or it was a training piece he was carrying.

I'm sure you're right. However, even if I had seen him check it before hand, I would have liked to see the second guy check it once again, before pointing it at the guys head. Not only for thier safety, but to demonstrate good safety practices in thier training film.

We all read those stories about the unloaded gun that killed someone...too often.

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Originally posted by TAC:

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Originally posted by armadillo66:
Well the gun safety in that film was a given. The instructor handed his assistant his gun which he had no doubt already cleared for the exercise or it was a training piece he was carrying.

I'm sure you're right. However, even if I had seen him check it before hand, I would have liked to see the second guy check it once again, before pointing it at the guys head. Not only for thier safety, but to demonstrate good safety practices in thier training film.

We all read those stories about the unloaded gun that killed someone...too often.

Good point. Wasn't it an "unloaded gun" that killed Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow?

While practicing with an unloaded gun is a given, On the street, it would be loaded. I really don't see any practical way to do these incredible gymnastics, and shoot the gun effectively, at the same time.

It works fine, while people are "making believe". Every body is working together, to make it look good. But, real life doesn't work like that. Seems pretty hard to pull off in real life.....so what is the purpose???? Only to provide entertainment, to those that like that sorta thing!! Bob

I agree that most people (including myself) may have difficulty with this maneuver. But, it does give you a last-ditch option. If you're being held at gunpoint nowadays, the new breed of bad guys may shoot you just to watch the pretty spray pattern.
It's nice to have alternatives.

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Originally posted by BobK:
While practicing with an unloaded gun is a given, On the street, it would be loaded. I really don't see any practical way to do these incredible gymnastics, and shoot the gun effectively, at the same time.

It works fine, while people are "making believe". Every body is working together, to make it look good. But, real life doesn't work like that. Seems pretty hard to pull off in real life.....so what is the purpose???? Only to provide entertainment, to those that like that sorta thing!! Bob

Red guns or special training barrels can actually help when it comes to practicing this sort of thing.

Anyway, there are a number of schools of combatives that teach take aways (and retention). Krav Maga may be of interest if someone near you teaches it, as it is specifically designed so that older folks, women, even kids, can adapt the moves to reflect their level of fitness/agility.
If you find someone that teaches the non watered down version, all the basic finishes end the same way too - literally "finishing" the aggressor ala Mortal Kombat.

Trying a disarm with a gun held to your back is also one of those times when it pays to be wearing a vest I'd think.

That looks pretty straight forward. Shouldn't be much of a problem to execute.

I am thinking that if you are in the middle of a crime being done by some idiot gangsta wannabes or you recognize that the idiot has no proper gun handling skills, I am thinking it would up the odds of putting a stop to stuff real quick if you have no other options. One thing about it, once you commit to doing it, you had best be kicking some ass the best you can.

Folks, this is TV drama. In real life the bad guy isn't going to put a gun in your back or give you a chance to do anything. He's going to shoot you from the get-go, and if he has half a brain, he won't be too close when he does it.

About the only time I think the gun-in-the-back might play out is if they wanted to kidnap you.