In Rainbow Six by Clancy, he has a terrorist attack on a Disney like park in Spain. It is a very good book by the way.

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Does any one know if there are any restrictions at Disney world or metal detectors etc.

I have been to Disney more than a couple times in the last few years.

I do not recall SEEING a metal detector anywhere, but it would not surprise me at all if they are there, strategically placed, where they think they are necessary. Uniformed security does a cursory check of all bags, no matter what type or size. There is no escape. I have never seen a "guest" being patted down. As one writer says, there is plenty of security, and not all of it is invisible. They have it there in all kinds. Similarly, I have never seen an unsavory incident there. They have to take place, but I have the impression the incidents are handled very quickly, and with the lowest possible profile.

I never saw an armed LEO at any of the parks until my last couple trips (this year and last). In both cases, the terror threat level in the airports was at orange, so that MAY have had something to do with that... ?

The place is so well run I don't feel unsafe there at all. Do as you choose, but I would not think you would feel any differently after you have been there a day or two and gotten a feel for the place. There are places, for me anyway, where a gun is just not necessary. JMHO.

Edit - To answer your question, YES - Disney absolutely prohibits weapons anywhere on their property, so that presumably extends to both your vehicle and room. It's their show and they run it as they see fit. We have two choices.

Rather than potentially mess up your enjoyment, I would just leave the gun at home, or at minimum, locked up in your vehicle. Again, JMHO.

Disney cannot prohibit guests from keeping firearms in their rooms. Those rooms are considered your domicile and FL castle law applies.

Same goes for your car in their lot. Their policy cannot override the Florida Statutes, not matter how much they would like it to.

Wyatt, the FL Castle Doctrine applies to one's home and place of business. A court may hold that a rented room is an extension of your home but it's not so stated in FL statutes. You do not have to retreat from any area you have a legal right to be but that does not make that place your "castle". In other words it's a crap shoot.

You are correct that after July 1st you can have a firearm in your locked vehicle if you have a valid CCW. If you are in a rented vehicle it again is a crap shoot.

A general caution for visitors to the Sunshine State, the Florida Supreme Court does not take cases in this area. They will kick it back to the court who first heard it. Legal precedents don't mean much as all that really counts is the judge hearing the case. It is an area one should stay real close to the law as written and not extend the law to areas that may or may not apply. Even though FL DAs and judges are generally gun friendly it's still not an area to get too creative regarding interpreting the laws.

Bob

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Originally posted by bk43:
Wyatt, the FL Castle Doctrine applies to one's home and place of business. A court may hold that a rented room is an extension of your home but it's not so stated in FL statutes. You do not have to retreat from any area you have a legal right to be but that does not make that place your "castle". In other words it's a crap shoot.

Florida Statutes Chapter 776.013(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person's will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and

(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

Florida Statutes Chapter 776.013(5)(a)
"Dwelling" means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.

One does not need to be a lawyer to understand that the legislature meant dwelling in the broadest, not narrowest, sense of the word. It's there in black and white without the need for creative construction.

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Originally posted by bk43:You are correct that after July 1st you can have a firearm in your locked vehicle if you have a valid CCW. If you are in a rented vehicle it again is a crap shoot.
Bob

I could not locate this bill in the FS, but based on the legislative definition of dwelling and vehicle (found in FS 776) I am pretty sure that a rental car is as good as a vehicle you own. Legally, a car rental is a very short term lease, and I don't see the laws regarding concealed weapons making any distinction between a car owned by you and one leased by you.

I NEVER rely on sources of information regarding the use and carrying of weapons without checking the relevant statutes. In this day and age of incredible access to information, it is foolish to rely on anything but. It took me less than a minute to find and cite Florida law in this regard.

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Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
It took me less than a minute to find and cite Florida law in this regard.

My post was not really very clear so my apologies. However, you are still hopelessly confusing the original FL castle law, the FL CCW law(FL 790) the 2005 "use of force statute"(FL 776) and the 2008 "guns in employee vehicles"(new 790 statute). State statutes are not like a buffett where you pick a little from here and there. As an example 776 gives you the right to use force to defend yourself where you have a legal right to be. It does not mean you can carry, or even have a firearm, everywhere you have a legal right to be(like WDW property for example). It's not even interesting enough to try to sort out here but more reading is suggested.

Bob

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Disney cannot prohibit guests from keeping firearms in their rooms.

They not only can - they do. Just watch them. Refer to:

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It's their show and they run it as they see fit. We have two choices.

Quibbling over the nicities of various state laws is not likely to do much good. They will just exercise option 2 and throw you out. If you take them to court, I'm sure you will find Disney has herds and herds of lawyers, money to burn, and that undoubtedly the State of Florida will be hugely more interested in their opinion (i.e., tax dollars) on what is in the best interests of their guests than those of a guest, however well meaning the guest may be.

"The law is a crude instrument..." So it always has been. If you want to play with it in a big way, one needs big money. (The rest of us can just be happy with what is given us. ) Bob may not find this stuff very interesting, but I think it is just his polite way of saying that any detailed discussion of the material outside of a courtroom is futile - and frustrating... ?

I am probably about done with my trips to Disney, for now, but certainly would not let their policy on weapons keep me home, based on what little I know. They have other policies that are much more offensive - to me. JMHO.

I seriously doubt Disney can do anything about something they neither see or are aware of.

One of the forum members at Glock Talk actually got caught carrying concealed at Disney. They have ununiformed security through out the park looking for tell tale signs of concealed carry. They are taught to look for Printing, unconsciously adjusting of IWB holsters, etc. etc. The guy in question got caught because his t-shirt allowed for easy printing. He even admitted he was to lazy to wear a jacket or heavier shirt even though it was winter time. Anyway the security guy took him to their office and had the local PD escort him to the parking lot to lock the firearm up in the car. If he would have had an attitude he could have been tresspassed. He said the local PD was pretty cool about it. There are no metal detectors, but the staff is definitely looking for them. They don't pat you down or wand you. They look in bags and purses with a dowel stick. If your going to carry there, you need to deep conceal it in something like a belly band or thunderwear. If you get stopped don't cop an attitude and you won't get banned.

I've been to DisneyWorld probably twenty times and never had a problem with our safety and security. We'll be at Magic Kingdom this Thursday and I don't anticipate any problems. Their own security system is really magnificent. Besides, if anything were to happen at Disney, it would be so large and intense, your little carry gun would be useless anyway.

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The guy in question got caught because his t-shirt allowed for easy printing. He even admitted he was to lazy to wear a jacket or heavier shirt even though it was winter time.

In other words, the disney jimmylegs can spot the easy prints. A compact gun IWB covered with a loose shirt or sweatshirt will go unnoticed.

If ya gotta hitch up your pants, do it in the bathroom or don't grab the holster.

I bet they miss a hell of a lot more than they spot.

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Originally posted by BarbC:
I've been to DisneyWorld probably twenty times and never had a problem with our safety and security. We'll be at Magic Kingdom this Thursday and I don't anticipate any problems. Their own security system is really magnificent. Besides, if anything were to happen at Disney, it would be so large and intense, your little carry gun would be useless anyway.

I don't anticipate problems anywhere I go armed. If I did, I would not go. And if I had to go I would take a rifle.

My family's security is my responsibility, not Disney's.

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Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:

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Originally posted by badam0112:
The guy in question got caught because his t-shirt allowed for easy printing. He even admitted he was to lazy to wear a jacket or heavier shirt even though it was winter time.

In other words, the disney jimmylegs can spot the easy prints. A compact gun IWB covered with a loose shirt or sweatshirt will go unnoticed.

If ya gotta hitch up your pants, do it in the bathroom or don't grab the holster.

I bet they miss a hell of a lot more than they spot.

I agree. I think it was a former security guard from WDW that commented on how they were trained. Personally I know I do have a bad habit of repositioning my IWB holster.

Well, by the end of the day you'll feel mugged and robbed, alright, but not by another tourist. The Mouse hates competition.

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Originally posted by BarbC:
Well, by the end of the day you'll feel mugged and robbed, alright, but not by another tourist. The Mouse hates competition.

You sound like you had your share of $8 hamburgers and $4 sodas. Man the things we do for our kids.