Disneyland, Disney World and even Euro Disney are all crowded busy places. I've seen eye glasses, cameras, wallets and purses, etc... left behind on rides, in shops and restruants. If I were carrying to Disney, it would get locked up securely in the car. Losing a valued item is one thing, losing a deadly weapon is a risk that I personaly wouldn't take in such a place.

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Originally posted by CJofWolfcreek:
Disneyland, Disney World and even Euro Disney are all crowded busy places. I've seen eye glasses, cameras, wallets and purses, etc... left behind on rides, in shops and restruants. If I were carrying to Disney, it would get locked up securely in the car. Losing a valued item is one thing, losing a deadly weapon is a risk that I personaly wouldn't take in such a place.

Let me be the devil's advocate and purveyor of common sense again.

Glasses, camera, wallets, purses, etc. are items people handle continously during the course of normal daily activity. As such it is not unusual to see some being lost or forgotten. This happens not only at the house of mouse, but everywhere where lots of people congregate to shop and/or recreate.

On the other hand, handguns carried for defense are weapons and merit a significantly higher level of awareness and care. They are not to be touched or handled cavalierly or unnecessarily. Losing track of one of them is NOT acceptable regardless of where you are.

Which leads me to the logical conclusion that if you do not trust yourself to keep a handgun secure on your person in a public place like an amusement park, you should not be trusted to keep a handgun secured anywhere in public. Therefore do not carry a handgun at all.

Recalling the manner in which many folks carry their weapons, I can sympathize with the Disney folks not wanting to have the customers dodging (or not) falling firearms on the various rides. Then there's the issue of policing up/fishing out the dropped roscoes and finding the correct owners.

Some years back, I tried to take my younger boy to the local amusement park where we lived at the time. I ended up having a quiet conversation with the security people-hadn't expected metal detectors. Briefly, for those of us who were legally armed, there were secure weapons lockers ala the courthouse for while we were in the park. My claim to have a Kings Dominion proofed holster was met with a smile grin and a polite "Sorry".

Actually, after the ride on what was then the fastest coaster in the US, and the bruise my pocket knife left, I'm kinda glad I gave in.

I was there last month and they prohibit carrying. They do want to look in bags, etc prior to entry but no metal detectors so if it's concealed they won't know. Don't wear a fanny pack or like as they will want to check it as well when you go through the gates. If you are of the opinion that it's better to have it just in case, make sure it's secured i.e. won't fall out and if it does, expect to be raked over the coals. A glock 26 in a paddle fobus under a loose shirt would work just fine if a person were inclined.

UPDATE This morning(Friday the 4th) Disney suspended an employee for having a gun in the trunk. Linky The employee was testing Disney on the new law and had been warned. I don't think Disney's claim that they meet the federal code for fireworks holds water but that's their story and they're sticking to it.

Bob

Good for Mr. Sotomayor!

Finally someone with standing to sue. I have a feeling Disney is going to take it in the shorts and be shown they are not above the law.

I have a feeling their pyrotechnics license excuse will not hold up to legal scrutiny, but we will see.

I hope Sotomayor sues and retires rich.

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Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
So does WDW have some special status among FL cities that exempts it from FL's pre-emption statute?.

Appears you're hopelessly confused again Wyatt. I'm not sure what the FL "pre-emption statute" is but I can assure you that it doesn't apply here. Applicable statutes are FL 790 and 18 USC.

Bob

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Originally posted by bk43:

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Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
So does WDW have some special status among FL cities that exempts it from FL's pre-emption statute?.

Appears you're hopelessly confused again Wyatt. I'm not sure what the FL "pre-emption statute" is but I can assure you that it doesn't apply here. Applicable statutes are FL 790 and 18 USC.

Bob

No. You are the one who is confused. If WDW is an incorporated municipality, then the pre-emption statute applies.

If it isn't (like I know it isn't) then it doesn't.

In any case, I don't care to discuss the issue with you further. Whatever you think isn't going to influence what I do.

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Originally posted by bk43:
Frankly, the thought scares the snot out of me as I have visions of some Rambo from up North taking out a "perp" who pushed him in line and half a dozen innocent kids with him.
Bob

All the pedophiles living and breeding in Florida concern me more than any Rambo type.

And all those hot, tired, cranky people with hot, tired, whiney kids.

Frankly, by the end of the day, how many It's A Small World animatronics would be left standing?

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Originally posted by bk43:
I find it interesting that no one familiar with Disney feels a need to carry there

I find it amazing that I take too many victim statements from people who did not feel a need to be prepared to defend themselves.

Well, by the time they recognized the need, it was "too" late.

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Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
If WDW is an incorporated municipality, then the pre-emption statute applies.

If it isn't (like I know it isn't) then it doesn't.

Technically you are correct as they are their own entity and standard "incorporation" does not apply. The Disney property includes two of their cities in their improvement district which was created for them in 1967 by special act of the Florida Legislature.

I'm outa here...Bob

I don't want the NRA spending a single penny on any lawsuit reagarding this issue. There's much bigger battles to be fought.
If you don't like the WDW rules, then just stay away. AND why would you spend your money at a place that's owned by a corporation that bankrolls the enemy?

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Originally posted by ladder13:
I don't want the NRA spending a single penny on any lawsuit reagarding this issue. There's much bigger battles to be fought.

Actually the issue is MUCH bigger than WDW. The issue at hand is how a company's policy deprives employees of the best tools for self defense not only while and where they work but also ON THEIR OWN TIME. Which is to say their drive to and from work, and any stops therein.

Oklahoma's similar law is being challenged in court by Connoco-Phillips Petrouleum claiming that their basic responsibility under OSHA regs to provide a safe workplace is undermined. Bullshit. A policy never stopped anyone who wants to commit murder. It does, however, affect those who DO obey law. Moreover, OSHA's charter is the elimination of dangers inherent in a job and not the regulation of anything that could injure someone just because they happen to be at work.

Fortunately, similar laws in Kansas and Kentucky stand.

So yes, this fight that Mr. Sotomayor is rightly instigating IS part of the big picture.

I was a Fl resident for many years and have been to Disney more times than I can recall. There are literally thousands of people from innumerable countries and walks of life in those parks on a daily basis. Disney has excwellant security and the Orange Co. Sheriff's Office began patrolling uniformed Deputies approximatly 5 years ago. I know, I have seen them and spoken to them in this regard. Violent crimes do occur on Disney property although a great many happen to employee's of Disney, there are gueses that suffer incidents as well. I carry there and will always do so OR I will not go there. I'm not Rambo or someone seeking confrontation but I will defend my or a loved ones life if threatened. It is that simple. I am sure all of you here would agree. Don't delude yourself into thinking the Majic Kingdom is crime free and you can walk around there oblivious because your " on vacation ".