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Isn't the M&P 45c single stack? I know it has a 8+1 magazine. This pistol would fit your needs very well.
 
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Jeffsmith, not to beat a dead horse, but you really should tell us exactly what kind of belt you have been using.

A lot of people completely underestimate the effect a proper gun belt has on comfort.

Without knowing that, we might be missing the most important piece of the puzzle.


Las armas son necesarias
Pero nadie sabe cuando;
Asi no, si andas paseando,
Y de noche sobre todo,
Debes llevarlo de modo
Que al salir, salga cortando.
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Jeffsmith, not to beat a dead horse, but you really should tell us exactly what kind of belt you have been using.

A lot of people completely underestimate the effect a proper gun belt has on comfort.

Without knowing that, we might be missing the most important piece of the puzzle.


OK I'll fess up to using a Wally world belt
but at 1 1/2 inches its pretty stout
are you telling me using a more expensive
(& probably thicker) proper gunbelt
will actually change the carry of my 3914enough
that it will no longer hurt Smiler


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are you telling me using a more expensive
(& probably thicker) proper gunbelt
will actually change the carry of my 3914enough
that it will no longer hurt Smiler

I can't guarantee that it will no longer hurt. And I can't even guarantee that it will hurt less with a proper gunbelt. But I can guarantee you that it will be cheaper than a new gun and odds are a good belt will make a big difference in your discomfort.

And good gunbelts don't have to be expensive.


Las armas son necesarias
Pero nadie sabe cuando;
Asi no, si andas paseando,
Y de noche sobre todo,
Debes llevarlo de modo
Que al salir, salga cortando.
Martín Fierro
 
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The belt really could help. You may need to go to a lighter weapon, but even then I would still look to upgrade the belt. I'm a firm believer in a good belt, even for pocket carry. I understand the cost factor. Don Hume markets a pretty good one for about $26.
 
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OK that's why I opened this up to discussion

When I go see my local gun pusher tomorrow
I will see if there he has a Real Gunbelt
in "32 Dwarf" that fits me

Even if I do eventually get another gun
using the proper belt has to improve things

Thanx for the advice


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Jeffsmith: I had a similar problem--my .40 caliber semiauto felt much too heavy, and it was causing pain in one hip whenever I'd carry it for any length of time. Even a sturdy Galco 1.5" gun belt didn't solve my problem. Then one day I put a double mag carrier with two fully-loaded magazines on the off side, and just like that--problem solved!

It turns out the problem wasn't a heavy load, it was an unbalanced load. Once the belt rested more or less equally on both hips, the weight didn't seem to matter anymore; the rig immediately became much more comfortable and the pain and fatigue went away. Almost anything can be used as a counterweight--for me it was spare mags, but you could also add a cell phone, small flashlight, etc. It seems counterintuitive to add weight to solve the problem of an already "heavy" gun, but it really worked for me.

I haven't had any hip operations, though, so if that's the source of your discomfort this solution may not work as well for you as it did for me. Still, I figured I'd throw it out there just in case it might help.

PS: I agree that a major manufacturer (S&W, Glock, Sig, etc.) really needs to come out with a compact, single-stack, polymer-frame semiauto in a decent caliber (9mm or above). With so many states now allowing CCW, the market for a gun like that would undoubtedly be huge.
 
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Jeffsmith: I had a similar problem--my .40 caliber semiauto felt much too heavy, and it was causing pain in one hip whenever I'd carry it for any length of time. Even a sturdy Galco 1.5" gun belt didn't solve my problem. Then one day I put a double mag carrier with two fully-loaded magazines on the off side, and just like that--problem solved!

It turns out the problem wasn't a heavy load, it was an unbalanced load. Once the belt rested more or less equally on both hips, the weight didn't seem to matter anymore; the rig immediately became much more comfortable and the pain and fatigue went away. Almost anything can be used as a counterweight--for me it was spare mags, but you could also add a cell phone, small flashlight, etc. It seems counterintuitive to add weight to solve the problem of an already "heavy" gun, but it really worked for me.

I haven't had any hip operations, though, so if that's the source of your discomfort this solution may not work as well for you as it did for me. Still, I figured I'd throw it out there just in case it might help.

PS: I agree that a major manufacturer (S&W, Glock, Sig, etc.) really needs to come out with a compact, single-stack, polymer-frame semiauto in a decent caliber (9mm or above). With so many states now allowing CCW, the market for a gun like that would undoubtedly be huge.



Thanx for the suggestion but I find carrying just the gun a bit of a "chore"

I do think its the surgical scarring and general lack of a proper hip structure
that is causing the pain

I do have a mag & Flashlight holder that I can try

I would buy a single stack M&P in a heartbeat


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Jeffsmith:

If you haven't done so already, you should check eBay for a gunbelt. You can sometimes find pretty good deals out there. I would strongly suggest you check out Galco's website first for instructions on how to measure yourself for the proper size gunbelt. Usually, you will need to buy one or two sizes larger than normal to accommodate holsters, magazine carriers, etc. For a size 32 or 34 gunbelt, there probably won't be a lot of competition, and you should be able to find a good deal. Have you ever tried out an Under Armour shirt rather than a cotton tee shirt? The Under Armour wicks away perspiration and is a lot more comfortable. If this works for you, you could use the Under Armour shirt and then wear an unbuttoned, un-tucked shirt as a cover garment for either an OWB or shoulder holster. I have a Null SMZ holster for my airweight J frame revolver and it works very well. They also make them for semiautos and they are priced very reasonably as they are all plastic and polymer - perfect for hot and humid places.

Best of luck,

Dave
 
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PS: I agree that a major manufacturer (S&W, Glock, Sig, etc.) really needs to come out with a compact, single-stack, polymer-frame semiauto in a decent caliber (9mm or above). With so many states now allowing CCW, the market for a gun like that would undoubtedly be huge.


My Walter PPS suits me perfectly.
 
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PS: I agree that a major manufacturer (S&W, Glock, Sig, etc.) really needs to come out with a compact, single-stack, polymer-frame semiauto in a decent caliber (9mm or above). With so many states now allowing CCW, the market for a gun like that would undoubtedly be huge.
I believe Star once offered such a gun in 9mm. I don't remember the model #, but should be able to find out if anyone is interested. I think a co-worker's wife has one. I don't know if it's currently in production or not.


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As far as I know, Star never made a single stack polymer gun, although they did offer a double stack. Their Firestar Plus double stack aluminum frame 9mm had the most uncomfortable grip I've ever held - it made a 2X4 feel sweet.

Their small single stacks were heavy but otherwise excellent, particularly the pre-Firestar BM and BKM, which were similar to 1911's but much slimmer.
 
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I know i need a real gunbelt and that is high on my purchase list
I really think I need to find somehwere to try&buy in person as I am really hard to fit

On another note my wife who has not been against my carrying
but has been less than really enthusiastic asked me
"what would it take for me to get my permit?"

Very surprised at here question I stammered
"Um Honey why the change in atitude"

She said "Well since you have guns in the house I should be able to safely use them too"

I did mention that I really liked the idea of her getting her permit
but in FL she didn't need a carry permit just to go shooting
but she said she still wanted to consider getting one

I had the state mail her the application yesterday


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the SW9M is the Absolute PERFECT S&W for me to own
Not that pretty, given to occasional physical failure
but it does (usually) get the job done
 
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Jeff,

I hope your SW9 serves you well.

I was going to mention a new Taurus polymer single stack 9mm I have heard is out. I think it is called the 709 "Slim". (Here for LINK, I think.)

I do not have any experience with these, and I have not even heard much; only that they are out, slim, lightweight, and supposed to be quite ergonomic.


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PS: I agree that a major manufacturer (S&W, Glock, Sig, etc.) really needs to come out with a compact, single-stack, polymer-frame semiauto in a decent caliber (9mm or above). With so many states now allowing CCW, the market for a gun like that would undoubtedly be huge.
I believe Star once offered such a gun in 9mm. I don't remember the model #, but should be able to find out if anyone is interested. I think a co-worker's wife has one. I don't know if it's currently in production or not.
I just did a quick Google check. The Star Ultrastar appears to fit the bill. The source I found says it has a polymer frame.


Don't carry a gun because of what may happen today. Carry because once, just once, and at the least likely time imaginable, you may run into the worst monster you ever could imagine. Be their worst nightmare and resist them with all the stubbornness that our pioneer ancestors posessed. To do less is to be unamerican.
 
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