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If you google the name "Bernard Levine", if my memory is correct, you will find a website that lists state knife laws. You might want to keep a tool handy that can double as an impact weapon instead. There's only one way to stop someone with a knife and that's to open them up. An impact weapon can be less invasive and perhaps keep the police from becoming involved.
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A good commercial grade meat cutting knife works well in a situation like this. About a 6 inch razor sharp boning knife is ideal. I like the Dexter brand, but there are others. Make a quick scabbard with cardboard or plastic and duct tape. It'll go over lots better than something with "Extreme Ninja Warrior" etched on the blade.
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quote: A good commercial grade meat cutting knife works well in a situation like this.
Uh...Actually, no. That would be legal in Illinois, but "normal", "non-crazy", "good guy" citizens don't carry butcher knives in their back pockets. Cops would be more likely to view that as being intended to be used as a weapon, paraphrasing the unlawful use of weapon statute. You want something that looks un-weapon-like. Granted that's an eye-of-the-beholder issue. A few years ago, the state police were considering 'assisted opening' knives to be illegal switch blades. I think they got over that, but it's another thing to consider, especially in the land of Cook County. |
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quote: Posted 20 July 2008 11:35 AM
"A knife that doesn't look like a weapon." Perhaps you can illustrate.....
Perhaps you can quote me accurately!!  You know, a knife that's a "tool" - like a lock-blade pocket knife - rather than a weapon - like a double-edged dagger with a knuckle guard. Like the man said, "I know it when I see it." In Illinois, "intent" to use as a weapon is in the statute, and that is inferred from the actions of the user. A broken piece of glass can be a "weapon" - per the unlawful use of weapon law - if used as ... a weapon. As before, Cook County is another animal. |
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I thought a boning knife WAS a meat-cutter's tool........? Anyway, that's the old Saturday Night Special argument, that some weapons are more likely to be used for illegal purposes. Lock back folders aren't necessarily legal in all places. Watch out for city ordinances. They can differ from state. Intent laws are actually good, because they force the prosecutor to prove intent, which is really difficult unless someone is stupid enough to say that the knife is for self defense.
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I'm speaking to Illinois state law and how it might be applied by the police - which varies by location just as do city ordnances.
A kitchen knife is certainly a tool, but not one that is normally carried in one's pocket in public. If you defend yourself with a kitchen knife while you are in your own kitchen - no problem. Do the same in a local bar...?
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You're just rationalizing in your mind if you think that a lock-back folder large enough to be useful won't be regarded as a weapon. I could call a Stanley knife a tool, but not a folder, especially one with a device to facilitate one handed opening.
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I'm sorry. You don't understand what I'm trying to say.
I hope mcholak had a good trip.
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I know very well what you are trying to say. You are saying that some knives appear to be somehow less offensive and won't get you arrested. Yet you haven't said specifically what you consider to be a useful tool and not primarily a weapon. As I said, they have to prove intent, and that's really difficult as long as the knife in question has a legitimate use in everyday life, and the owner doesn't make any stupid statements alluding to use other than the legitimate one. I'd say you are a bit paranoid, except for the fact that Illinois is well known for corruption in government and law enforcement, not to mention the court system. My condolences.
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quote: Originally posted by ttpete:
I know very well what you are trying to say. You are saying that some knives appear to be somehow less offensive and won't get you arrested. Yet you haven't said specifically what you consider to be a useful tool and not primarily a weapon. As I said, they have to prove intent, and that's really difficult as long as the knife in question has a legitimate use in everyday life, and the owner doesn't make any stupid statements alluding to use other than the legitimate one.
I'd say you are a bit paranoid, except for the fact that Illinois is well known for corruption in government and law enforcement, not to mention the court system. My condolences.
I carry and use balisong knives at work. I prefer them as work knives, but I don't expect cops to even be willing to listen to why. I assume that they have preformed negative opinions about balisongs, so when I'm not at work, I don't carry one even though I'd prefer to. Truth be told, I don't care for knives as weapons. They are very effective, but a blunt striking type weapon is less messy, literally and legaly. I don't think that most cops would be as upset over a buck 110, even though they're just as dangerous as a balisong.
Don't carry a gun because of what may happen today. Carry because once, just once, and at the least likely time imaginable, you may run into the worst monster you ever could imagine. Be their worst nightmare and resist them with all the stubbornness that our pioneer ancestors posessed. To do less is to be unamerican.
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