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Originally posted by sipowicz:
Pretty soon gas prices will force us to have a possible Smart car gun choice....my guess would be a snubbie...

Sip, it is not possible for gas prices to get high enough for me to drive that. If I ever have to park my F150 I'll just stay home with the dog...screwum'.

Bob

Upon further reflection, and experience as a black powder shooter, I believe I have hit on a unique and logical solution to the "truck gun" question.

THE THREAT will probably come while the vehicle is motionless (carjacking, robbery at a truck stop, etc).

9 of 10 times merely presenting a defense causes the mope to back off and look for an easier meal.

A forum member did report that, when he presented his defense, the bad guy took a SHOT at him, and he FIRED a round in return.

So I sincerely and honestly suggest the following: A .54 caliber cap-lock muzzleloading pistol (or two) with some reflective white paint on the face of the muzzle.

It's common knowledge in the city that you want a really BIG gun to intimidate your victim. You try to rob a guy with a .25 and he might just laugh at you. Picture this hood looking into the .54 black hole in the face of a (relatively) huge, thick-barreled gun, and coming to the conclusion he didn't know what it was, but that he was definitely outgunned.

He may fire, to disorient his poorly-chosen "victim" while he makes a safe retreat. And savage street people are conditioned to react with uncontrolled violence when they perceive a threat. Consider this being met with an uncommon, loud BOOM, A huge fireball with sparks flying, A cloud of smoke big as a Volkswagen! Would that not put ANY heathen into a panicked flight?

Not as absolutely reliable (when fired) as a modern gun, but thousands of deer hunters fill the freezer with caplocks every year. I have learned to MAKE my caplocks reliable.

As to legalities, these guns can today be bought off-the-shelf or mail-order. They don't LOOK as dangerous as a Glock. In many states, merely flicking the cap off renders the gun legally unloaded when you see the flashing lights behind you.

We forget that wars were fought, whole civilizations changed, countries were established, and generations were fed with these guns. They most definitely are not toys. And today many are dirt cheap. I would feel well armed with one of these in each hand.

KeithCarter
NRA Life

Keith, are you the reincarnation of Blackbeard?

I have a sigma 40 that I leave in my semi plus what I carry.

Keith...turn off "Pirates of The Caribbean" and watch a few "Magnum PI" re-runs for a while.

MOONDAWG

I get the impression that some of you youngsters are not familiar with the capabilities of older guns.

Allow me to rephrase. The latest Cabelas general catalog (p. 677) has a Pedersoli-made "Howdah" pistol that gives 2 shots of a .60 caliber, 300 grain slug at (I would guess) 800fps or faster. The cap fires straight into the main powder charge, and I have NEVER had a misfire with this type of action on my shotgun.

I got my numbers from the DIXIE GUN WORKS catalog. I believe most hunters would consider this an adequate (up close) elk or moose load. Would anyone consider our present military .223 55grain 3,000fps load adequate for moose?

Elmer reported shooting a sharp pointed .22 slug through a jackrabbit at 4,000fps. The animal just looked around, and resumed eating. What would have been the result of an old, slow .60 cal. slug?

KeithCarter
NRA Life