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I have read a number of

"Obey the Law!


This is not a website which encourages participants to engage in illegal activities. There are many other websites on the www which address the subject."

and

"Ya...obey the law. It isn't for me to pick and choose what I obey. I wouldn't tolerate that from my children or employees!"

The strong response seems to be "Obey the law" !

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My question is daily it seems to me perhaps 75% of the motorists pass me on the freeway. This strikes me as a large number of folks do not 'Obey the law".

Choices:
1) I obey all speed limits.
2) Some speed limits are really stupid, so I don't obey them, but most others I do.
3) Speed limits ? Nah, they just slow you down.

 


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Posts: 394 | Location: California | Registered: 05 May 2005Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Most speed limits in this country are NOT set using sound engineering principles because the politicans set arbitrary limits through legislation.

Ohio's 65 mph freeway speed limit is a fucking joke. In fact, so are most speed limits.

Believe it or not, most drivers are rational and will drive at prudent speeds. I bet you that if speed limits were completely removed off the streets and highways, nothing much would change. But let's not even go that far. I bet that if all of the speed limit signs in Ohio were replaced with ones reading 10 higher, nothing would change. Not even the average speed of traffic.

What would change is that our traffic would move more smoothly because you would not have the occasional self-appointed traffic cop asshole blocking the left lane at 65 mph.

Another thing that needs to change here is the truck speed limit. Make it the same as the car speed limit. This is the first state that I have lived in where trucks are held back and all it creates is MASSIVE backups and frustrations as one truck driving dickhead sits on the left lane at 56 mph trying to pass another truck going 55 uphill. Mad

Truckers: if your company has fitted or enabled a speed limiter on its trucks STAY THE HELL OFF THE LEFT LANE. Do you wonder why people flip and cut you off? IT'S BECAUSE YOU'VE BACKED UP TRAFFIC FOR OVER A G-D MILE!!!!


Las armas son necesarias
Pero nadie sabe cuando;
Asi no, si andas paseando,
Y de noche sobre todo,
Debes llevarlo de modo
Que al salir, salga cortando.
Martín Fierro
 
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Speed limit? Thats a point, where we Krauts have an advantage.Smiler

Our Highways (Bundesautobahnen and so called Kraftfahrstrassen) have no general limit. You can drive as fast as you can take the responsibility for it.

Therwe are some parts with speed limits, often for security-reason, sometimes for ideological reasons, but when you see this sign: http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:jImBGAJNs469UM:http...img/verkehr/N066.jpg
then it is YOUR responsibility.

The effect: German highways are some of the safetiest in the world, we have modern cars and the most of all security inventions in the automotive came from germany.

Just as a normal citizen will be no danger, when he can legally own guns, he is no problem, when he can drive his car in his own responsibility. Freedom always works, freedom makes life safer. Bans and limits dont.
So we Germans can learn from many US-Gun laws and you can learn from the safest streets in the world, without general speed limits Wink


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My attorney charges me $250 a pop to keep tickets off my insurance, but you get too many in too close proximity, they hammer you in court. Also I have Sentry Insurance with the premium rebate rewards program for clean diving record. We are getting checks now for the years our daughters were teenagers driving full coverage cars. A speeding ticket is not worth losing a $1200 check every May 1st.
I have m bike insurance from Geico. I sold the Buell, cops would pull it over because it was unusual and looked like it was running 80 sitting still.
The FXR is a run of the mill bike and I do not push my luck with it as a crank bait for trolling for cops.


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I keep at the posted speeds or at least no more than a few over, except in town, its 25mph and I do 32mph and always have...local PD is fine with 32mph at least for us locals Wink (also learned years ago, wave(or nod) at EVERY cop you see)

I am pretty much a right(slow) lane guy on the hwy....and the guys that weave in and out.....seems we both show up at the same time.....and I have alot less stress
 
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I tend to agree with the responses posted so far.

I chose #2. I try to stay within 5 mph of the posted speed limit - simply to avoid tickets!

I think the term used in the legal community is "civil disobedience."
 
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I'd love to drive closer to the limit... but on I-95 it's simply suicidal.


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FXR


I hate to bust your bubble but a FXR never has been or never will be a "Run of the Mill" model.

They were the first rubber mounted Harley and with the exception of the sportster they are/were the best handling Harley.

This has changed with some of the newer bikes like the V rod


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because you would not have the occasional self-appointed traffic cop asshole


Actually, the mayor and chief of police usually appoints us. Big Grin Razzer



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I generally keep up with traffic in town or do +5 to +15 in the fast lane out of town depending on weather and traffic conditions. I believe in driving at an appropriate speed for conditions, I don't believe in tailgating, and I believe in lane discipline. I like to maintain a sizeable space cushion between me and other cars. Sometimes I'll slow down just to stay out of the pack if it is ahead of me.
 
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Originally posted by Dude:
I generally keep up with traffic in town or do +5 to +15 in the fast lane out of town depending on weather and traffic conditions. I believe in driving at an appropriate speed for conditions, I don't believe in tailgating, and I believe in lane discipline. I like to maintain a sizeable space cushion between me and other cars. Sometimes I'll slow down just to stay out of the pack if it is ahead of me.

If everyone drove like you, roads would be a lot safer and higher speeds would be easily possible.

Some of the stuff I see day in and day out makes me wonder why we do not have more than the 40K deaths we have every year.


Las armas son necesarias
Pero nadie sabe cuando;
Asi no, si andas paseando,
Y de noche sobre todo,
Debes llevarlo de modo
Que al salir, salga cortando.
Martín Fierro
 
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SPEED LIMITS ARE NOT ABOUT GOING FAST THEY ARE INTENDED REGULATE BRAKING DISTANCE THE FASTER YOU GO THE LONGER YOU STOP
 
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Regarding "obey the law," an important distinction should be made.

Im most/all jurisdictions, most traffic related offenses (e.g. speeding) are civil violations...not criminal. That noted, there is a huge difference between say, speeding, and illegally carrying a gun.

FYI, I routinely drive at +8-9 whilst on the interstate highways...at the posted limit on other roadways.

Per my experiences, very few LEO's will worry about "offenders" like me...there are much bigger fish to fry.

Be safe.
 
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Originally posted by chainslinger:
SPEED LIMITS ARE NOT ABOUT GOING FAST THEY ARE INTENDED REGULATE BRAKING DISTANCE THE FASTER YOU GO THE LONGER YOU STOP

Like I said before, speed limits in this country bear no relationship to automobile braking or acceleration performance and haven't done so since at least the late 80s.

Speed limits are imposed arbitrarily by legislators with ZERO input (or close to zero) from civil and automotive engineers.


Las armas son necesarias
Pero nadie sabe cuando;
Asi no, si andas paseando,
Y de noche sobre todo,
Debes llevarlo de modo
Que al salir, salga cortando.
Martín Fierro
 
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Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
Most speed limits in this country are NOT set using sound engineering principles because the politicans set arbitrary limits through legislation.

Ohio's 65 mph freeway speed limit is a fucking joke. In fact, so are most speed limits.

Believe it or not, most drivers are rational and will drive at prudent speeds. I bet you that if speed limits were completely removed off the streets and highways, nothing much would change. But let's not even go that far. I bet that if all of the speed limit signs in Ohio were replaced with ones reading 10 higher, nothing would change. Not even the average speed of traffic.

What would change is that our traffic would move more smoothly because you would not have the occasional self-appointed traffic cop asshole blocking the left lane at 65 mph.

Another thing that needs to change here is the truck speed limit. Make it the same as the car speed limit. This is the first state that I have lived in where trucks are held back and all it creates is MASSIVE backups and frustrations as one truck driving dickhead sits on the left lane at 56 mph trying to pass another truck going 55 uphill. Mad

Truckers: if your company has fitted or enabled a speed limiter on its trucks STAY THE HELL OFF THE LEFT LANE. Do you wonder why people flip and cut you off? IT'S BECAUSE YOU'VE BACKED UP TRAFFIC FOR OVER A G-D MILE!!!!


illinois is the same way, cars one speed limit, trucks 10mph slower. it really is a stupid law.


that said, i drive within a few mile an hour of the speed limit when in the silverado or mini cooper (though in the mini it is harder to do, lol). on the FLHR (road king) the speed limit is a big no-no. i can't go any slower then 70mph.


as far as CC goes, my state doesn't provide for it, save for one way. as long as ammo/mag is out of the firearm (can be in the same case, just not loaded), firearm is in a gun designed case and zippered (fannypac/holster, a belt looped soft case like keltec used to provide), then you can carry legally. though it's not considered carrying, but rather transporting. training buffs for it call that style of carry, "7 seconds to safety". which, IMHO, is about 4 seconds too late. but hey, at least we have some form of legal "carry".
 
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