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Originally posted by AZretired:
I qualify and carry under Arizona/Leosa standards but am planning a move to NY (upstate) and have been told I will have to apply for a CCW in the county I live in. NYSP apparently has no plans to qualify under LEOSA.

Check a NYPD forum...they have folks who address this very issue. "Thee Rant" (that's a website...and the correct spelling) might be helpful...

Be safe.

Yup. Have been since my earliest opportunity, in 2005. Oregon has a pretty simple course of fire, but it requires a score of 100%. Greatest distance = 10 yards.
Total rounds fired = 25.

My alma mater department's ultra liberal chief will not authorize officers or retirees to qualify for 218, so we had to go shopping for one that would. The state's version of POST (DPSST) has a listing of departments that will qualify other agency retirees, so it wasn't too difficult. They also allow a few authorized private instructors to run the course.

I exercise my HR218 option often, mostly in the western states, even California.

Gotta get my digs in. My former agency, the Bureau of Prisons, is totally against their employees carrying and will obstruct this law in any way. They adamantly refuse to qualify retirees, and one Senior Executive Staff member publicly stated if an employee were caught carrying in a jurisdiction like Chicago, his people just might not be able to produce training records, at least until you spent several days in jail. I maintain a private CCDW in Kentucky for this reason.

Hey AZretired check out PoliceOne.com the retired officers section, specifically how to recertify under HR218.As long as you have your required retired department ID card there seems to be some options available to you.Good luck in N.Y.

does anyone have or know of a list of jurisdictions that are refusing to recognize LEOSA? Any truth to the rumors of retired cops being arrested in various jurisdictions?

Arrested for what?
Do you know any other place that is arresting people for something that is not against the law?
If you are a LEO, would you arrest someone who is not violating a law?
As a LEO are there any other laws you would ignore and arrest someone anyway?

A NYPD retiree was just locked up for robbing nine (9) banks whilst wearing his NYPD retirement ring. He was armed, too, but unknown whether he was LEOSA qualified.

Yes, this is a bit tongue in cheek.

I believe the stories of LEOSA qualified folks getting locked up are mostly urban legend. I have not heard of any confirmed incidents.

Be safe.

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Originally posted by 11bravo:
does anyone have or know of a list of jurisdictions that are refusing to recognize LEOSA? Any truth to the rumors of retired cops being arrested in various jurisdictions?

Answer to the first question: There IS NO such list because no jurisdiction CAN refuse to recognize LEOSA!

A very few cities, such as NYC, have been reluctant to issue the necessary documentation &/or make qualification procedures available for THEIR OWN RETIREES, but I've personally traveled to NYC, Chicago and Boston carrying concealed under LEOSA WITHOUT PROBLEMS!

Answer to the second question: There are ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWN INSTANCES of "RETIRED COPS" being arrested in ANY jurisdiction.

There have been two cases where charges were brought in NYC and elsewhere in NY state charging a PA constable and a Coast Guard enlisted man respectively in which the issue was raised at trial as to whether or not they qualified as "ACTIVE" LEOs and were therefore covered under LEOSA.

In both instances that issue was ultimately resolved in their favor and charges dismissed.

I'm looking into either WA or OR for my retirement.

The lack of a state income tax in WA is attractive (from the perspective of a retirement 'pat-raise').

Anybody have any info for the southern end of WA & the northern end of OR? The area to either side of the Columbia River, so to speak.

"Answer to the second question: There are ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWN INSTANCES of "RETIRED COPS" being arrested in ANY jurisdiction."

Not true anymore.

This is a bit unsettling. 4 washington law enforcement officers are being charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a permit along with a bunch of other crap in South Dakota after a shooting in Sturgis that involved a Hells Angel who along with a bunch of his buddies attacked the cop who did the shooting.

And ATF says that the LEOUSA doesn't apply because it was never implemented by it federal rule making agency.

Link to story. http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2008/08/29/new...e086e0d898298826.txt

Well, this certainly merits watching.

An old saying comes to mind after reading the BATF's Ms. Dipirro's comment; it has something to do with a "Christmas turkey".

LEOSA's legitmacy WAS acknowledged early on by U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft himself when he wrote the widely distributed memo specifying those Justice Department divisions whose officers were covered by it.

We'll see.

Captain38 is exactly correct. The ATF spokesperson has his fill of Christmas turkey. How many other federal laws are passed, signed and implemented everyday without any rule making agency? One thing is for certain it's not the ATF's job to implement anything involving LEOSA. LEOSA doesn't need a federal rule making agency as it's not a federal agency's responsibility to do anything at all with LEOSA.
One of the local PD commanders from around here was charged and convicted in MO for unlawful use of a weapon. His circumstances for the charge resulted from the same as the Seattle LEO in Sturgis - mixing firearms with alcohol. That is a violation of LEOSA, not because some ATF toad says a there was no federal rule making agency.

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Originally posted by Fastbolt:
I'm looking into either WA or OR for my retirement.

The lack of a state income tax in WA is attractive (from the perspective of a retirement 'pat-raise').

Anybody have any info for the southern end of WA & the northern end of OR? The area to either side of the Columbia River, so to speak.

Lake Oswego Or. P.D., a suburb of Portland, conducts a qualification each May and opens it up for all retirees meeting the requirements. They charge a minimal fee (about $30) and issue pictured I.D. to those qualifying.

For you retiree's from the Federal Prison System,..... is there any chance of a class action lawsuite against them for refusing to comply with a Federal Law? Can anyone more knowledgable than I weight in on this.