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Somebody write that down on the calender and highlight it! It's finally happened...

Don't get too excited, Smitty. I have a blowtorch.

Shorty

I have no idea as to what the requirements are in Ohio, but I spent 3 days this weekend at TDI. Some of the folks were there the first 2 says for their CCW permits. At this class, they each fired in excess of 500 rounds and got some first rate instruction and knowledge.

"you can't fix stupid"

I aint posted in the last couple of days because I have been layed up sick. But I have been re-reading this thread, and do now realize the error of my thinking on what I posted.

I agree that a required class would be an infringement on our 2nd Amendment RIGHTS.

I had not thought of it that way before, but being sick has caused me to sit back and re-read all the post on it, several times over. And realized that WTH was I thinking.

Very cool to hear, bro. Get well.

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Originally posted by J_B:
I aint posted in the last couple of days because I have been layed up sick. But I have been re-reading this thread, and do now realize the error of my thinking on what I posted.

I agree that a required class would be an infringement on our 2nd Amendment RIGHTS.

I had not thought of it that way before, but being sick has caused me to sit back and re-read all the post on it, several times over. And realized that WTH was I thinking.

It is never too late to arrive at the right conclusion.

The "hostility" you might have detected was merely frustration at seeing one of our own not getting it.

Sorry it took an illness layup for you to see clearly, but welcome to the right side.

Wyatt Earp

Lest I forget these words and their meanings:

Infringement

Shall Not Be Infringed

Do a google.com on them, I did and it hits me like a 2x4 across the forehead.

J_B, liberals have been twisting the meaning of the words in the Constitution in general and in the Bill of Rights in particular for quite some time.

Words have meaning but it can't be whatever anyone wants them to be, or we cannot function as a society. I think you woud agree.

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I think you woud agree

Yes I would!

Sorry to hear you were ailing, glad your on the mend.

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Originally posted by Richard Simmons:
Sorry to hear you were ailing, glad your on the mend.

This thing is worse than the flu virus.... I've still been under all day today, no changes.

Good discussion, folks!

I'm glad J_B has "seen the 2x4 light" in terms of the RKBA.

Shooting is NOT rocket science! In fact, it's pretty dang easy. We see this in the news all the time: "Grandma who hasn't shot in 40 years shoots crackhead intruder".

If your average Joe can do it under extreme stress...then that leads to the belief that little or no training is really necessary. It's a very common perception.

Just think: there are guys in Virginia OPENLY carrying handguns and they have had NO training of any sort! I can now say that two of them have had training...and hopefully are training junkies! They were amazed at what they could do with a handgun.

The prudent man seeks out instruction, not because he needs it, but simply because he knows that what he doesn't know can hurt him.

I undergo annual mandatory training but that is to carry my employers weapon.

I had to take an open book test to get my CWW, no hands on or range time required. The shooting portion was dropped in North Dakota after a Blind man shot and qualified for his CCW. Anyone born after 1961, must have attended a hunter's safety course to get their hunting license. Any state's or provinces hunters ed is recognized.

I am not required to take a course or test to purchase and own a weapon or to use one. Only if I wish to carry concealed off my own property. The majority of the test is where and under what circumstances CCW is permitted or prohibited. It's designed to keep you out of legal hot water and as I said it's open book. You'd have to be a moron to fail it.

The PA CCW doesn't require anything other than a background check and three references. When I received it, the Sheriff included a stern form letter encouraging responsibility and caution.

Yes, in VA anyone may open carry, including within a vehicle, without a permit, yet the CCW permit requires fingerprinting, background check, classroom work and a range session. With the exception of myself and one other, nobody else in my VA CCW class had ever shot a gun. So it was good that they received some introduction to safe handling.

When I learned my friend here in PA had a concealed permit but zero training, I took her to the NRA Women on Target course. She gained so much from that and it is a very wise investment.

I think it was J_B's entry that got the fireworks going. I agree with the majority that our 2nd Amendment rights should not be infringed, however, if by law, you have to go through training to get a permit to carry, I would hope that if you paid your money you would get the needed training. It is a great responsibility. I'm glad I went through the training I went through, because I learned a great deal. Over the years I have learned a great deal more, however, it had to start somewhere. I'm glad someone didn't just hand me a piece of paper and say, "You've gotta gun, you've got rights, now go out there and use them." Some folks are not born in an environment where they grew up around guns and learned to shoot at an early age. My wife has the right to carry a gun, but she sure needed the training. She's a great shot today. So I'm kind of glad that some degree of training is required. I know some will not agree with me and claim I'm anti-2nd Amendment for saying so, but common sense isn't really that common, and there are some people that should not carry a gun unless trained to do so.