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It is quite clean unless you load too light. The 935fps. figure is from my 4 5/8" Bowen Ruger Flat Top. Same load gets just over 900fps. from my 4" 624. I have not chronoed it through my 3" 624. Accuracy is phenomenal through the Ruger, excellent from the 4" 624. The Ruger will print this load under 1 1/2" at 25 yards, the 624 under 2". |
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Hodgdon has three different powders with the word Clays in them. There is International Clays, Universal Clays, and plain old Clays. They are all different powders. They were all developed as shotgun powders hence the name. As with most shotgun powders, they also turned out to be very good handgun powders. But a lot of reloaders, myself included, think it was a really dumb decision for Hodgdon to include the word Clays in the names of all three powders. It can lead to a lot of confusion. So a lot of reloaders have gotten into a shorthand of referring to those three powders as Clays, Universal, and International, to help avoid confusion. Unique has always been my favorite powder for large caliber handgun cartridges, but most of my experience with it has been in Single Action revolvers. Unique tends to burn kind of dirty, with some unburnt grains unless the charge is near max. This is never really a problem with a SA revolver, but with a S&W DA revolver it can create a problem if unburnt powder grains wind up under the ejector star. It tends to jam up the gun and make it difficult to open. So last year I tried out five different powders for 44 Special with my Smith DA revolvers. In descending order of accuracy of the five powders I tried, I would choose American Select first, then Trail Boss, (plain old) Clays, Unique, and Win231. American Select and Clays were the cleanest burning in my loads. Specialty of the house and it's still moving. That does it, this place gets no more of my business. |
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What load and velocity are you getting with American Select? I may give it a try, along with SR4756. I've used quite a number of powders in my 44 special, and so far, the best potential is from Unique & Power Pistol. I chronographed equal charges of those two and found that Unique gave about 75 FPS greater velocity than Power Pistol. The powders that have given my the worst accuracy have been N340, Blue Dot, and Lil' Gun. I have also tried Herco. No winner with that and I might say the " felt recoil " from it was VERY SHARP. I think Herco is best used in something like the 40 S&W! |
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I've been using HP38 which seems pretty good, although I'm no marksman. I've wanted to try Trailboss but haven't seen it sold around here.
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N320AW:
I should probably have prefaced my remarks about 44 Sp powders with the fact that I was looking for mild loads with a 200 grain bullet that I could shoot in my older Hand Ejectors without worrying about stressing them. My American Select load was 5.3 grains under a 200 grain cast bullet. I found this load in my Speer manual, 13th edition. It is a mild load for cowboy shooting. The min load under a 200 grain cast bullet is listed as 5.2 grains for 865 fps, the max is 5.8 grains for 933 fps. I do not own a choronograph, so I have no idea what my actual velocity was. Specialty of the house and it's still moving. That does it, this place gets no more of my business. |
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Using this data is at your own risk. (They work great for me)
Primer: CCI Large Pistol Mag. Bullet: SWC (L) 240 gr. Powder: #5 Powderweight: 6.3 gr This is at the lower end of your speed-request, but it is very accurate out of my 24-3 6.5 inch. So with the 250 grain bullet, i would start at 6 grain and work up. Swissman "I'm married to a woman named................something." |
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N320,
I have some data from yester-year for you. Remember these loads were shot in a S&W 1950 Target with a 6 1/2" barrel in 1970. Your results may very and use at your own risk. The Speer #8 has data for the bullet in question for:
The Speer #5, #6 and #7 only have data for two powders with your bullet. 2400 and Unique. Accurrate Arms Data 
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Afetr using Universal clays, its the only powder i use in 44 specials now. It has performed in my guns better than any other powders ive tried.
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I have totally changed to trail boss. for my .44spec/24-3in,24-4in,24-6/1/2:624:4in,6/1/2.also for 629&29's use the same powder chg for both with my cast wc. no ash,unburned pwdr,in any barrel length. I used to use:unique/herco,bi,clays,etc.everything leaves unburned pwdr.except tb.
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After foolin' around this evening with my model 34-1, i shoot some rounds with my 696-1. I had to adjust the sights a bit and got then results between 44 and 47 points. This is the last 5-shot serie. I focused myself ONLY at the sight-picture and let the frontsight "dancing" around the point of aim. I let the shots "happen" and took my time between the shots.
 Swissman "I'm married to a woman named................something." |
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This is a timely post for me. I've used 7.0 to 7.5 grs of Unique with a 240-250 cast all my life but now have inherited a 4 lb canister of Winchester "Super Target" which says its for medium velocity hand gun loads. Anyone try it and if so any load data for a 240 cast that will duplicate the 7.0grs of Unique load.
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I used WSF in some .45 ACP loads with a 200 gr LRN and at 6.3 gr it was about the dirtiest powder I've ever used. It didn't meter all that well for me either. I don't know if WST is any better.
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Thanks everyone. Appreciate your input/
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Though not among your listed powders, I highly recommend the load I use for CAS. It's a real pussycat. 200 gr rnfp over 5.0 of HP-38.
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I like 8.2 grains of SR4756 (oh noooooo!!!!
 ) and my RCBS 44-250 SWC (and no, it hasn't blown up my gun  ). According to my chronograph, it shoots right around 800 fps in my 38/44 Outdoorsman.I also like 6.8 grains of AA#5 with the same bullet. Haven't chrono'd it yet. This message has been edited. Last edited by: ChuckS1, |
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