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Anyone have any ideas as to a good, heavy bullet?
I can cast so a new mould isn't a problem. Any starting point info would be appreciated. |
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Duplicate a LC round with a 240 ~ 255g cast SWC, TC or RNFP with a large metplat.
850 to 900fps should do the trick. Never loaded an AR, so I can't help you with data, but it's available. By way of example, I shoot a LC with a 250g RNFP from a Lee mould and a 255g SWC from a Lyman mould. I use W231 and Unique for these rounds. I'm right at 900fps with the Unique and 830fps with the W231. "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms .....disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes." Cesare Beccaria (1735-1794) Italian nobleman, criminologist, and penal reformer |
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Beru,
I have to question your premise. Sometimes a .44 mag isn't enough for a hog... Depending on the thickness of the shoulder plates and the age/size of the porker, a .45 rim could leave you severely undergunned... To me, a hot 10mm with a tough bullet is the minimum floorplate... A slow-moving .45 rim -- if you hit him wrong -- might do nothing more than piss him off badly -- leaving you without recourse but to shinney up the nearest mesquite bush...  I've never seen it personally, but I've heard of cases where hogs with Russian boar in them have soaked up four full-house .44 mags -- and were still ticking... You could only be sure of downing a big pig with a .45 rim by putting it in his ear at 12 inches -- something you might wish to reconsider as a primary plan to continued healthy longevity. |
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Hogs don't shock -- and they don't just get mad, they also get even...almost as reliably as Cape buffalo.
Some of them seem to be almost as smart as chimps -- and they seem to reason that if they're going to die, they might as well bring you along for company... (And if you're hunting javelina, scratch everything I've said -- because I know nothing whatsoever about them...) |
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August issue of Handloader has a good article by Brian Pearce on loading the .45 AR. Includes loads pushing an RCBS 280 gr. SWC to 900 fps.
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Finding a good bullet won't be a problem. The problem will be that by using a heavy bullet in that small case you won't get much velocity out of it. If you are using new, solid head brass you can use data for .45 ACP which will give you higher pressures but there won't be much data available for a large bullet in them either.
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"Use Enough Gun" is good advice for hogs, especially if you are on the ground with them...
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Do a bit of searching online in powder manufacturers' websites and in manuals. There are plenty of good 255-265 gr. SWC .45 AR loads good for 850-900 fps, and that is a combination that is far more potent than you'll believe until you use it.
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Beruisis,
Us Texas boys are smart enough to know hogs aren't armor plated, right? I shot one in my front yard with 00 buck and did him in pretty nicely. He ran about 30 yards, but who cares, it's a hog.   If you really want a decent hog load and you have a later production M25 or a M625, consider these.  This is a RCBS .45-255 SWC that weighs 268 gr with my alloy. It works very nicely in moon clips, so why bother with AR brass? I haven't actually clocked these, but a similar 270 gr LSWC bullet clocks at 960 fps with 13.0 gr of 2400 in regular ACP brass at 1.263" OAL. The 625 will easily stand .45 Super loads, so this can be increased, but I don't know of a good reason to do that. The recoil is around 11.6 ft lbs in a 5" M625, which is less recoil than what I shoot in a M66. Energy is 553 ft lbs, which is more than the old Walker Colt that was the most powerful handgun until the .357 was introduced in 1935. I'll be in Mesquite Saturday, not too far from the gun show, if you want to see them. Email address is in my profile. |
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Although these are a bit more "squatty" than those behemoths of Paul's, I think they will still do the trick. They are a 240gr cast here at home with a healthy charge of SR4756 behind them.
 Just got the mold and they are extremely accurate out of my M625JM. What I took my hog with was a little different though.  250gr 44mag doing about 1200fps out of a 5" M629 Classic and 1600fps out of my friend's Marlin 1894CS.  SKIP USMC 1973-1979 Born Again 1983-Eternity! .................................................................................... (John 17:17) KJV Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. The Marines don't have that problem" - Ronald Reagan   Unashamedly Christian, American, Male, all three of which are currently under attack! |
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smithcrazy, who makes that 240 gr. mould? Thanks.
Paul 5388, that's a nice size hog you dropped there. I've killed many with my 45 ACP in 1911 but now have this 25-2 w/ 6.5" barrel & want to give it a try....I may just use the ACP brass. |
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Beruisis, Hensley and Gibbs made the one I just got. My wife bought it for me on ebay just before Father's day. H&G is no longer in business so one would have to find them for sale in the used market. Be ready to pay a handsome price for one too, above the $150 mark most likely! There may be other companies that cast something similar. I know the one Paul uses is still available. Lee will make anything you can draw. In fact they may have the tooling already for making a mold already. I would give them a call. Ballisticast (http://ballisti-cast.com/)is supposed to have all of H&G's cherries. SKIP USMC 1973-1979 Born Again 1983-Eternity! .................................................................................... (John 17:17) KJV Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. The Marines don't have that problem" - Ronald Reagan Unashamedly Christian, American, Male, all three of which are currently under attack! |
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RCBS also makes a .45-270-SWC that is a similar Keith type design. Either one is available from A2Z Outdoors for $59 for a 2 cavity mould. Shipping makes it cost about $65, delivered to our part of the world.
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Beruisis
A Lyman #452423 (255 to 260 grn SWC) or a Lyman $452424 (265 grn SWC) will do the job nicely. I would water drop them so that they retain a sharp meplat when crunching through gristle. The #452423 is pretty much made for AR / ACP cases (old Keith favorite) while the #452424 is the classic .45 Colt bullet. I load both of them in AR cases. I use a load giving about 875 fps for practice and plinking, and a load that flings the bullets out at 1,050 for my bear/deer hunting load. A modern 25/625 can do well with either load, although I don't like to regularly shoot the higher pressure load cuz it's hard on brass. |
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Here's what Glen Fryxell has to say about .45 bullets and the 45-255 SWC in particular.
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