Several years ago I purchased some .41 mag. reloads from a friend of a friend. Now that I've begun loading myself, I looked to these loads I still had left. Anyway they are 210 grain Hornady XTP's loaded with 21.0 grains of H110. All of my loading manuals state that is over a max charge. What say you?

Of note, the guy that loaded these also stated a velocity of 1400 ft/sec. I'm not sure what info he was using. I do have a Ruger Blackhawk I could shoot them out of to get rid of the 20 or so I have left, but don't think they will see my model 57 or Taurus Tracker...or I could just pull the bullets.

Any ideas?

Speer #8 manual shows a max load of 20.0 gr. of H-110 for a 220 gr. jacketed soft point at 1339 fps. Not sure how this relates to your load, but I think the safe thing to do would be to pull the remaining bullets.

Mr. cushrmg,
I don't see how you figure it's "over"...did you look at Hodgdon's site?

210 GR. HDY XTP Hodgdon H110 .410" 1.580" start-19.8 1465 25,600 CUP max-22.0 1631 36,400 CUP

Looks like it's a full grain light of max.

Now, regarding these being reloads you did not re-load...well, like Mr. Davwingman suggested, I'd also pull them.


Bob
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

Bob thanks for the link, and no I did not look at the Hodgdon website. I am a Master Maine Guide who has hunted and shot all my life. However, I have just begun reloading. This is all new to me, and that is why I asked this question of my friends at the S&W forum. I looked at my Speer, Sierra, and Lyman manuals and it appeared to me that 21.0 grains of H110 was too much.

I think I'll pull 'em. Seems like the smart thing to do.

Cush

Mr. cushrmg,
Please make yourself a "regular" here at the Forum's "reloading bench".

I learn something every time I stop and read. You are going to make more Forum friends here.

What are your intentions with regards to reloading? Handgun, rifle, both? Sound like you will be working with .41 Magnum right off the line.

Enjoy and remember, there are NO dumb questions.

Bob

Sir, FWIW, I'd also recommend pulling them down. Other people's handloads are always a question mark--even if the other fellow's records and tracking seem good, you still don't know for sure what's inside those cases.

JMHO.

Hope this helps, and Semper Fi.

Ron H.

My older Hornady book shows 22.8 of H-110 with a 210 JHP as max.

I've got to admit to experimenting with more than 21grs or more.

Since the actual load doesn't appear to be a problem, the real question is whether your friends handloading practices are trustworthy. Has he ever been busted for RWD (Reloading While Drinking)? Has your friend ever blown up any guns through faulty handloading? Have you ever known him to have a failure to fire with one of his handloads that was shown to be the result of the load (and not the gun)? Is your friend a "ditz"? If the answer to any of these questions is yes, then pull the bullets. Otherwise, it's probably ok to shoot them. JMO

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Originally posted by cushrmg:
Anyway they are 210 grain Hornady XTP's loaded with 21.0 grains of H110. All of my loading manuals state that is over a max charge. What say you?

Any ideas?

This load is fine in my 657 Mountain Gun & Blackhawks but too hot for my no dash 657s. The ejector needs to be hit really hard to eject the empties on both my early 657s. I would back down on the charge a bit.

I am running 23 grains of H110 with the 210 Hornady...22 with the Sierra 210. Have had no sticking problems with any of these loads in any of my .41s...that includes no- 657s and 60s vintage 57s.

I've found that H110 burns best and cleanest if the base of the bullet just slightly compresses the powder charge to hold it in place with no airspace in the case.

Use a Magnum primer like CCI or the regular Winchester Large Pistol Primer that ignites ball powder like Winchester 296 (that is the same powder as H110 in a different can) well.

It also helps to have a chronograph when going for top loads. If I am getting regular and consistent increases in velocity and all of a sudden get a spike in velocity or almost no more velocity when nearing a top load I know it is either time to back off or stop...

Bob

I have been shooting 21.5gr of H110 under both a 210gr XTP and a 215gr LSWC. I get no leading nor sticking and these are shot from M57 and a Blackhawk. I always use a CCI 350 Magnum primer and Starline cases. I would also suggest a heavy crimp as well. Primers are slightly flat and that is the only indiaction that pressures are up there.

Mark

My Hornady data says max load with H110 is 22.7gs so 21.0 sounds reasonable.

I've chrono'd the Hornady 210gr XTP bullet on top of 20.3grs of H110 at 1,286 fps average from my 6" S&W M57.

Aloha,

If you have any Doubt at all, then I say, Pull them

If nothing else, it's called Peace of Mind.

I Always make it a habit to pull someone else's reloads.

Makes me Happy to be Safe.

For 41 mag loads I use 7grs of Unique for 210gr lead and 8grs of Unique for 210gr XTP's.

Bugs100, your timing is great! I load almost exclusively with Unique. I've been using 8 grains behind a 215 cast SWC at the plate range, but am going to try 7.0 grains this week as the 8.0 load hits 'em a little too hard.