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I've read a lot about bullet performance when faced with an assailant being at odd angles, such as partially sideways where a shot may have to penetrate arm bones before entering the chest. In light of this I wonder how many of you load your semi-auto mags with a mix of hollow points and ball. For example, maybe the top 2-3 rounds could be a good hollow point with the next two being hard ball, etc. Any advice?
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I generally use JHPs that get moderate penetration and have a good street record, or at the least have produced good lab results. Of course, accuracy and reliability are a must. From there I forget about it. YMMV
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uncle norman, how far south in Indiana? I used to live in Bedford a couple of decades ago. Used to shoot in Gnawbone. I don't mix ammo in a magazine and I prefer JHP for social purposes--lead SWC or WFN for target, practice, small game and larger game. If you have to shoot someone whose arm is so big you can't shoot through it, shoot them in the head.
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Most manufacturers take clothing into account for penetration. I like to carry what the local LEOs do so if the worst case scenario happens; what's good enough for them is good enough for me.
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Any modern hollow point will get the job done. Depending on the caliber, I use Gold Dots, Black Hills jhp's, or CorBons. I use what the individual gun shoots best.
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If this ever was a good idea, it certainly was made obsolete by modern defensive ammunition. Forget about it.
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Years ago, when it was all the rage in the gun magazines, I loaded a mix, usually alternating JHPs and ball in the mag in the gun, with ball in the backup mags. Got to thinking about it, and realized that: A. I want to know EXACTLY what round I'm shooting when I press the trigger, B. In the heat of a self-defense event, I might not know if I've shot 2, 3 or 4 rounds, and C. If a JHP won't penetrate clothing, it isn't worth crap anyway. Depending on specific caliber and gun, I now carry nothing but JHPs or Cor-Bon Pow'rBall, in the gun and in backup mags.
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Way to go, Pard! You're a huge asset within this fine group. On topic: I rely on bullet weight to provide the most likelihood for penetration. So I stick with heavy-for-caliber Gold Dots or HSTs in all my semi-autos. And just to stir things up a bit, I don't give a damn about any perceived over-penetration risks of heavy bullets.  NRA Member, Regular Army 1985-1993, Deputy Sheriff 1982-1985 "We conclude that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. That right existed prior to the formation of the new government under the Constitution and was premised on the private use of arms for activities such as hunting and self-defense, the latter being understood as resistance to either private lawlessness or the depredations of a tyrannical government." - U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit, March 9, 2007 "...what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct. We affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals. It is so ordered." --Justice Antonin Gregory Scalia, 26 June 2008, DC v. Heller |
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No "dutch loading" for me either. Modern hollowpoints are so well designed that if I choose a quality hollowpoint such as Gold Dot, Ranger T, Golden Sabre, HST, XTP, ect. I have little concerns for penetration in self defense situations.
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Thanks a bunch for the compliment, nitesite! Once the case has been tried or otherwise resolved, I hope to post here on a case in which I'm working as an expert witness. Just a hint: Until I got this file, I worried only a little about overpenetration with ball. Now, I worry a little more...  Those Gold Dots and HSTs shouldn't be problematic, although when my brother shot a drug dealer's big attack dog with 230gr. Gold Dots from his Commander several months ago, both rounds passed through completely, one of them almost end-to-end. It was a dog that would have weighed around 80 lbs., as I recall. |
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Pay attention, class. The question was about arm bones. If a hollow point hits a bone in the arm it may open up and not adequately penetrate the chest. (sorry if I sound sarcastic. My brother says I am but he's just jealous because I'm better looking, smarter and more humble than he is.)
"The next time I shoot somebody I could get arrested." Frank Drebin cleaning out his desk after getting kicked off the force. |
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Okay, Norm, point taken, though your brother may be right...
But the same principles apply, and stop shooting at arms! |
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I failed to mention that my round would be .45 ACP hard ball.
"The next time I shoot somebody I could get arrested." Frank Drebin cleaning out his desk after getting kicked off the force. |
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Evansville. "The next time I shoot somebody I could get arrested." Frank Drebin cleaning out his desk after getting kicked off the force. |
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If you insist on shooting his arms, you may need a follow-up shot regardless of ball or HP.
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