I guess they must be doing pieces for whoever buys an ad again. The article seems to treat this stuff as innovative. Am I wrong, or is this stuff actually snake oil?

I concur: Extreme Hor$hit.

Here is my favorite quote about their "ammo"...

"The ExtremeShock Explosive Entry Round leaves a "shaped charge" trauma cavity with hundreds of individual wounds channels, causing Central Nervous System catastrophic overload . In video taped field tests with angry 300 lb Russian Boars, a single.380 round will incapacitate and kill in a matter of seconds! The 505 lb Boar in the picture was taken with a single 9mm round."

You mean you guys weren't sold by the mall ninja guys on the front of their web site?



This company is comical.

I'll keep my sjhp, lhp and gold dots thank you.

I think the people at box of truth tested this crap out once, their results were not good, this stuff falls in the same catagory as Glasers in my book overpriced and useless.

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Originally posted by Erich:
I concur: Extreme Hor$hit.

+1

One of our club members was on a boar hunt last week with his .45-70 BFR. When the guide saw his 9mm carry gun, he handed him some Extreme Shock Enhanced Penetration and said "Try this on a hog." So he did. He said it killed as fast as his .45-70 but showed less internal damage upon butchering. He said that was with a side shot into heart and lungs, and will be taking it back for other angles on his next hunt.

OK

So Erich was wrong...

It's Extreme Hog$hit?

rd

Nytrillium!

(Must be a new one - I don't recall that on the periodic table when I took chemistry back in 10th grade . . . )

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Originally posted by Erich:
Nytrillium!

(Must be a new one - I don't recall that on the periodic table when I took chemistry back in 10th grade . . . )

Atomic # 82.42 Right between Bolognium and Ninjiniam...

And it turns out to be a major component in bovine excrement.

I saw the article but didn't read it. There is only one type of bullet I shoot in my handguns, ones I cast myself!

I can't remember the last time I bought anything other than shotgun shells!

I happy with that!

Eric, your first post and your last post change animal groups. Wouldn't it be Equine Excrement?

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:
One of our club members was on a boar hunt last week with his .45-70 BFR. When the guide saw his 9mm carry gun, he handed him some Extreme Shock Enhanced Penetration and said "Try this on a hog." So he did. He said it killed as fast as his .45-70 but showed less internal damage upon butchering. He said that was with a side shot into heart and lungs, and will be taking it back for other angles on his next hunt.

I feel comfortable with my .357 but that is with 185gr lbt rounds under 16grains of h110 that a friend rolled for me 2 years ago. Oh, and I forgot to mention that the same said friend is at my side carrying a rifle...just in case. Those boars are not wearing kevlar, but I don't trust expanding ammo from a handgun on a boar.

Their tesimonials would be interesting, in so far as they claim to document the killing of quasi dangerous game (wild boar and feral hogs) with such things as Kel Tec P32s, save for the fact that this curious testimonial is also actually offered on their web page and apparently treated as legitimate:
"Dear Extreme Shock,
The other day with my 45, I thought I just clipped a guy in the leg. After they removed the lower half of his leg, these rounds have proved to me that they are the best ammo made. Even better than the Black Talons. I would like to keep all my agent's guns full with extreme shock rounds. I hope we can work it out. You make a quality product. I don't want to use anything else in my arsenal.
Bruce CEO Detective "

Perhaps it's Bruce Wayne, aka Batman?

If the testimonials of people killing relatively large animals with small bore pistols are true, then one wonders why they'd put up a testimonial like that of a "CEO Detective".

But from our friends at Guns and Ammo:
(March 2008 issue)
"[Extreme Shock]...may cuase us to rethink what we *think* [emphasis in original] we know about terminal ballistics."

"...the chemical magic that Extreme Shock has done to prevent its powdered tungsten from re-amalgamating..." [Perhaps Nytrillium is the magic element in the "the bonding of the tungsten-nytrillium composite into a core".]

The author, Patrick Sweeeny, goes on to to say "I don't pretent to fully grasp the new dynamics..."

There's also this (from a visit to the factory) :"I shot a lot there from various firearms into their selected ballistic medium, which is not gelatin buy a waxy substance that is denser and greasier. The results were impressive, as every block showed violent expansion... At home, I shot gelatin and water. The effects on gelatin and water differed from the test medium used by Extreme Shock."

Then rather than wonder about this, the author instead goes on to question gelatin testing as to reliability and jumps on those that would take this problem with testing medium as proof that Extreme Shock doesn't work.

Interesting stuff. Personally I'd have asked, of the makers, such things as

"Your ads claim that special operations personnel are using this ammunition and helped develop it. Who's using it and who helped develop it? Name an agency that issues it." (Federal, Winchester, and Remington all regularly name names, such as the FBI contract.)

"What is nytrillium?" (If I lacked the technical knowledge to understand an answer, rather than just accepting whatever I was told, I'd asked an impartial third party to explain it. Rather than "magic" as explanation, I'd ask my great uncle, a retired chemical engineer, to explain it to me.)

"Why is there a patently bogus testimonial on your web page?"

"What are you shooting these rounds into that isn't gelatin, and explain to me why it is better than gelatin?"

"Explain to me *how* these rounds produce a terminal effect if they only pentetrate - in some cases - a few inches?"

"If you are claiming energy dump is the underlying factor, can you explain to me how energy dump is working to cause death?"

"If large animals are being killed with it, where is a report from a vet detailing internal damage and cause of death? If animal testing, or defacto testing was carried out, were conditions controlled? Were animals examined beforehand as to health? Was the testing done legally and in accordance with animal testing guidelines?"

Seems like reasonable questions to me for a writer looking at a product making extraordinary claims to ask.

If the product is legitimate and worked as claimed, I'd think that they'd be happy to answer such questions and if such questions weren't asked, to have simply provided the data themselves. Ah well.

GatorFarmer, your considered post makes me almost ashamed of my hasty, eye-rolling dismissal of their products up-thread. It's much more interesting and informative to see a point-by-point analysis of their absurd puffery.

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Originally posted by Erich:
Nytrillium!

(Must be a new one - I don't recall that on the periodic table when I took chemistry back in 10th grade . . . )

Damn public school teachers; like the one in CA who can't read. They did you a disservice, old pal. Nytrillium is between Unobtanium and Blastagasium on the Periodic Table, as every good chemist knows.