Fiocchi 148 grain SJHP .357 Magnum
148 grains at 1500 fps!

Flop-shank would like this.

ETA: Check this out: 720 ft. lbs

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Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
Fiocchi 148 grain SJHP .357 Magnum
148 grains at 1500 fps!

Flop-shank would like this.

I may have to give this a try myself.

Look at the price!

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Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
Look at the price!

Oh, I did. I have a few in my cart, but it's backordered.

Inteesting but I note that neither the Midway listing or the Fiocchi web site list test barrel length for the claimed velocity.

I remember seeing old American ammo manufacturers claimed 357 ballistics which were pretty spectacular too. All were listed from a 8.375" and apparently unvented barrel as independent tests showed much lower velocities from all revolvers.

If anyone has imdependent chronograph results then lets see them.

Fiocchi is usually on the 'warm' side.
Downloadable catalog shows the test barrel length for this loading as 6".

http://www.fiocchiusa.com/Catalogue.html

It surely is interesting, Wyatt. I'd like to smack the Perma-Gel with one that's for sure. That kind of energy from a 6" barrel is right in there with R357M1.

You might want to see how that stacks up against the Corbon 140 grainer and pick one as a year round load. Since I have over four-hundred of them, I'll be using R357M1 for a while.

I've been doing the .44 mag. thing lately and I'll tell you one thing the .357 has going for it that the .44 mag. doesn't. There's a huge selection of factory loads that I would be willing to carry.

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Originally posted by flop-shank:
You might want to see how that stacks up against the Corbon 140 grainer and pick one as a year round load. Since I have over four-hundred of them, I'll be using R357M1 for a while.

Both Remington and Fiocchi are easily available locally. Cor-Bon, not so much. It is spotty.

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Originally posted by flop-shank:
I've been doing the .44 mag. thing lately and I'll tell you one thing the .357 has going for it that the .44 mag. doesn't. There's a huge selection of factory loads that I would be willing to carry.

Oh, I agree. Aside from Speer's Short Barrel 200 gr 44 Mag, there is no other 44 Mag load that I would carry. Sometimes you can have too much of a good thing.

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Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
Both Remington and Fiocchi are easily available locally. Cor-Bon, not so much. It is spotty.

If you ever order stuff from Midway, they probably stock that load.

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Originally posted by flop-shank:
If you ever order stuff from Midway, they probably stock that load.

But their shipping is now out of sight!

Shipping anything has gotten expensive. Shipping heavy metals? Even more so.

I'd like to try some in my Marlin. 'Wonder how they would group.

Just be aware, Fiocchi and S&B ammo is loaded to European CIP specs and not SAAMI specs which would account for the higher velocities.

For example, SAAMI specs used to be 21,500 for the .38 Special +P, then they were dropped to 20,000 psi and now they are set at 18,500 psi. CIP specs are still at 21,500 psi for the .38 Special +P.

Another example, SAAMI limits for the .357 Magnum were 40,000 psi and are now only 35,000 psi. CIP limits are at 44,000 psi.

(the numbers above are from memory and could be wrong, hopefully I remembered correctly)

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Originally posted by ArchAngelCD:
(the numbers above are from memory and could be wrong, hopefully I remembered correctly)

Right or wrong specs, you made a good point and raised one as well. I wasn't aware of CIP specs (in fact never heard of them), or that Fiocci ammo is loaded to them. Thanks for sharing. BTW what do the letters "CIP" stand for?

I'm not making this up: Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portatives (Permanent International Commission for the testing of carry-able firearms - the European commercial arms standards body).