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Vanilla,
Read it and weep. |
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I don't think it is sarcasm. I have this mental image of this being a revolver that Nigel Tufnel from Spinal Tap might carry. A little something to go with his tricked out, over the top guitars. Respect wildlife, use a good marinade. |
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I wouldn't be laughing too hard at Casingpoint. He's made a great point. A 115 gr. .327 magnum coming from a 4" 9 shot L frame at 1375 fps (483 ft. lbs.) would be no joke. I'd gladly carry that gun as a cop. If fashion would get out of the way (it won't), revolvers could reemerge as primary cop guns.
I couldn't agree more, excepting I use the 125s. I'd use the heavier bullets in a heartbeat if 125s weren't available. The asswhipping .357s of the '70s are the first modern hollowpoints that stuck. I'd love to know who designed the Remington SJHPs. Those cats had their crap together. Don't carry a gun because of what may happen today. Carry because once, just once, and at the least likely time imaginable, you may run into the worst monster you ever could imagine. Be their worst nightmare and resist them with all the stubbornness that our pioneer ancestors posessed. To do less is to be unamerican. |
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I used to keep 125's in my Ruger until I started treating inmates for CDC. Some of those guys are thick (in every sense of the word) I changed to the heavier slug in hopes of something that will blissfully chug through an outstretched arm, bone, exit skin, re-enter skin, break rib or sternum, and still keep chugging on through to hopefully hit something vital with enough force to elicit compliance, or at least slow the BG down enough for follow up doses of lead. Respect wildlife, use a good marinade. |
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PPS, I can't disagree with your logic. Americans are a lot heftier than they were thirty years ago when the 125 gr. .357 began to establish it's reputation. Has anyone seen evidence that the 125's are coming up short where they didn't use to?
Don't carry a gun because of what may happen today. Carry because once, just once, and at the least likely time imaginable, you may run into the worst monster you ever could imagine. Be their worst nightmare and resist them with all the stubbornness that our pioneer ancestors posessed. To do less is to be unamerican. |
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I have zero evidence of the 125's coming up short, in the statistical sense. I made my decision based on the fact that if I were choosing a round to stop a game animal the same size as some of these inmates, I'd pick the 158gr. One of the charts for penetration/expansion in jello showed the Federal 125gr SJHP offering penetrating 10.7"/.49" expansion in bare jello, 11.8"/.51" in clothed. The Federal offering in 158gr went 16.5"/.50" in bare jello and 15.9"/.64" in clothed here is a link to the table I'm refering. http://demigodllc.com/~zak/firearms/fbi-pistol.php Respect wildlife, use a good marinade. |
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Those Federal 125 stats are pretty consistent with what I saw while researching Marshall's data. I went with the Remington 125 gr. round because it offered a little more penetration according to the data that I saw. I hope to shoot Perma-gel with my three .357s that I load with that ammo (2 1/4", 4" and 6") soon to see how the ammo performs from different length barrels.
Don't carry a gun because of what may happen today. Carry because once, just once, and at the least likely time imaginable, you may run into the worst monster you ever could imagine. Be their worst nightmare and resist them with all the stubbornness that our pioneer ancestors posessed. To do less is to be unamerican. |
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Cool. How close is perma gel to 10% ballistic? What is the cost of perma gel? Respect wildlife, use a good marinade. |
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Close, but I don't remember any specifics. Go to www.midwayusa.com . They sell it and I put up a review that you might find helpful. Do a google search. There's plenty of info out there. Evan Marshall tried it and liked it. His test results are on his site. The stuff isn't cheap, but it's a better choice for me than dealing with 10% gelatin and all the hassle it entails. I also called and talked to Dr. Darryl Amick the inventer and found him very helpful and approachable. I found his phone number on the internet somewhere. If you can't find it while you research the stuff, just holler and I'll dig it up.
 Don't carry a gun because of what may happen today. Carry because once, just once, and at the least likely time imaginable, you may run into the worst monster you ever could imagine. Be their worst nightmare and resist them with all the stubbornness that our pioneer ancestors posessed. To do less is to be unamerican. |
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