Does anybody know anything about or have any experience with the DRT powdered bullets? I'm not sure if they are made with powdered tungsten, but they seem a bit on the heavy side which would indicate that this is a possibility. I am quite leery of anything that is powdered and/or frangible, and naturally the website claims instant one shot stops. I prefer homogenous bullets like the Barnes XPB and bonded cores like the Speer Gold Dot that can be counted on for complete penetration with or without expansion. Is there any reason to be impressed by the stopping power of these powdered bullets?

Dave Sinko

A magazine published by the Varmint Hunters Association did a test on these bullets/ammo.

The bullets did not perform as intended per the article.

70 grain powdered tungsten 223 bullets that were supposed to perform like a ballistic tip performed like FMJ's.

Zipped right through coyotes without upsetting at all.

I scrounge through my old copies of the magazine tonight and see what I find.

Funny you should mention this. I am open to ANYTHING that significantly increases the killing power of the lowly .223, particularly when used against the larger four and two legged game. I have always felt that the "powdered, pre-fragmented, dissipate all the energy into the target" approach is a step in the wrong direction.

On a similar note, a friend of mine is deeply distressed that Black Hills offers some kind of super heavy bullet for the 5.56 that is available only to the military. It is supposedly a "great stopper" (whatever that means) in the little 5.56. I constantly remind him that as civilians we need not give a damn about the Geneva Convention and there is no magic military-only bullet that performs better than a heavy for caliber Barnes XTS.

I'm still open to any reports from people who actually pay for and use this stuff and are not merely paid to endorse it.

Dave Sinko

Interesting you should bring this up. I was just recently sorting out some of my cartridges and came across some German 9mm ammunition form WW II. These have the sintered iron bullets used by the Germans in WW II to save on lead. they are jacketed and can only be identified by use of a magnet. Box labels of cousre, identify the rounds as "Mitt eisen" (with iron).

Bob Wright

I just saw an ad somewhere, cheaper than dirt i think, for the DRT ammo in 9mm. it wasn't cheap. really incredible claims, like it will shoot through a telephone pole without disrupting but will not exit the body if you shoot a cat with it. truly hard to believe stuff.

DRT = LeMas = Blended Metal Technology = Extreme Shock = CRAP

Thank goodness someone is finally developing super-effective modern ammunition. I can hardly wait to go spend my money for some of it.

Stolen from another forum.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/ammo-can/77819-drt-ammo.html


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While I initially suspected quite a bit of snake oil behind the DRT rounds, it seems that the CTD ad was one that they basically made up. The actual manufacturer of the ammo has some gelatin tests and half way respectable presentation on their web site. Curiously, they also sell it for *less* than CTD. It runs about a dollar a round, making it no more expensive than most other premium 9mm rounds.

Chuck Hawks of all people had a blurb about testing it. He couldn't get it to expand in non gelatin test media, which doesn't per se mean that it won't work as claimed in gelatin. Unlike most frangibles, if it fails, it will at least perform the same as 124 gr ball. The bullet weight is also at least not an oddball one, making it easier to find practice fill ins to hit about the same.

That makes it one of the more interesting specialty rounds. If I had access to gelatin, I'd be interested in testing it myself. If nothing else, if the bullet does come apart, a lungful of tungsten dust should give someone cancer in short order even they survive the GSW...

I'm guessing that this stuff is going to be going the way of the "Black Felon" ammo went. After a couple of AMA types have to deal with gunshot wounds from these things I suspect they will at the very least become restricted. I have yet to hear of a case where one the DRT or one of the Glasser Safety Slugs was actually been used in a Shooting - don't mean to suggest that I hear about all of them - but with the way they come apart and destroy tissue, they're worse than the Black Felons ever were - they just came apart in fairly large pieces.

I have seen what a Glasser will do to a full grown rabbit and it was INCREDIBLE!!!