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Just purchased a new 642. I have narrowed my choices to the Remington 158 Grain +P LSWCHP (FBI Load) and the Buffalo Bore +P 158 Grain LSWCHP. I have ruled out other manufactures of the same load due to apparent hardness of bullet(lack of consistent expansion). Is the Buffalo Bore too hot for the 642? What do y'all suggest between these two cartridges.
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Either would be fine.
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If you go to B/B's web site, you'll see the performance of their load is on the order of 100-150 FPS faster out of a 1 7/8"-2" barrel, than the chrono'd numbers being listed elsewhere for the Rem FBI's out of a similar length tube. That alone, makes it a horse of a different color. Especially recoil wise? A fact which I can attest to, out of an 11 ounce J frame! They're expensive, and not for everyone due to the above. But they give a person just about all one can get out of a .38 Special, with a 2 inch barrel.
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Hey, here's an idea.... by a box of each and shoot them - see which one you can hit the target better with yah know?
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Neither is too hot, mechanically speaking, for your gun. That means that the pressure generated by either of them is withing the SAAMI limits for which your gun was designed.
Now, recoil wise, Buffalo Bore's is noticeably sharper than Remington's load. But these are self defense loads, not plinking loads. So I load the hottest I can find in my 637 when it is to play for keeps. So I carry Buffalo Bore's +P 158 grain LSWCHP Las armas son necesarias Pero nadie sabe cuando; Asi no, si andas paseando, Y de noche sobre todo, Debes llevarlo de modo Que al salir, salga cortando. Martín Fierro |
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+1. Keep the rest of the 2nd place box for future reference. Welcome to the forum.  Don't carry a gun because of what may happen today. Carry because once, just once, and at the least likely time imaginable, you may run into the worst monster you ever could imagine. Be their worst nightmare and resist them with all the stubbornness that our pioneer ancestors posessed. To do less is to be unamerican. |
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Repeat after me...
Anything over 147-grains that goes faster than 850-fps and has a wide meplat plus a sharp "cutting shoulder" on the front driving band (SWC or WC) is golden in a snubnose.  NRA Member, Regular Army 1985-1993, Deputy Sheriff 1982-1985 "We conclude that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. That right existed prior to the formation of the new government under the Constitution and was premised on the private use of arms for activities such as hunting and self-defense, the latter being understood as resistance to either private lawlessness or the depredations of a tyrannical government." - U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit, March 9, 2007 "...what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct. We affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals. It is so ordered." --Justice Antonin Gregory Scalia, 26 June 2008, DC v. Heller |
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I chrono'd the BB 158 gr +P SWCHP/GC @ 1050 fps from a 642, 1 7/8" bbl.
At least for me, the recoil was a little too much. I went back to the Speer 135 gr +P short bbl GD-HP, which is also stout from a 642, but not near like the BB. My 2nd shot recovery was better w/ the Speer load. The Speer load chrono'd @ 842 fps, as I recall w/o looking back at my data. I have not shot the Remington FBI load, so I don't have any info/opinion on that load, although it has an apparent long, successful history. I agree with the previous posts, in that you should shoot some different loads, and see what you handle best as far as your ability to make multiple hits accurately. I believe the 642 will adequately handle any of these loads w/o any issues. |
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Hey, here's an idea....This is a discussion forum, yah know where people discuss things. I asked if anyone has shot both and asked for their opinion as to which they prefer. I also asked if the load was too hot for the gun as this is a S&W forum and I just bought this S&W firearm I thought this would be a good place to ask a question. Thank you to those of you that responded in a "helpful" manner. I think I will carry the BB's as it appears the 642 can take them and I will practice with my 158 wadcutter handloads. |
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Buffalo Bore also has a non-+P 158 gr. gas checked LSWC-HP with decent velocities from a snubby barrel. This load is quite managable in lightweights, shoots to point of aim, still has more velocity than similar standard loads from other makers, and the soft lead bullet offers at least some expansion. It is a good alternative from the more heavy recoiling BB +P load. I carry the non-+P version in an Airweight M38 Bodyguard J-frame, and, the full +P version in a 3" M64 K-frame or 4" M15 K-frame.
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W/that many eyes on the job, @ 3:53 AM, you shouldn't need any more help... ________________________________________________________________________ “For all your days prepare, And meet them ever alike: When you are the anvil, bear-When you are the hammer, strike.” |
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Wow this really is a helpful forum isn't it? What's worse my reply at 3:53 am or you counting my "eyes" at 4:57 pm? I have found more helpful information about S&W revolvers on Glock talk. |
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don't blame the forum, as forums go it is one of the best.
bad karma tends to solve it's self. i like the remmingtons. Regards, Rich |
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Gold Dot 135 grain 38 Special. 860 fps/222ft-lbs. Excellent expansion virtually guaranteed, 12 inches penetration in 4-layer clothing FBI test. What more do you expect from a snub? Get a gun with more barrel if you need more omph. |
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Out of seven kind folks that initially answered your request you have taken it upon yourself to publicly dismiss two gentlemen's advice as not being helpful. That is rude and arrogant. No one is being paid to answer your inquires.
My response w/the eyes was merely to highlight your attitude while poking a little fun at you. ________________________________________________________________________ “For all your days prepare, And meet them ever alike: When you are the anvil, bear-When you are the hammer, strike.” |
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