A store close by has a Savage Model 29A .22 pump in pristine condition, like new, round barrel. Anyone know anything about them? I am guessing this one was made in the 50's or 60's, has a finely checkered stock and forend.

Can't find much on-line about them other than completed auctions.

Thanks,

Canoeguy

Update: took my gun show plunder from yesterday and got the rifle out of layaway. Didn't have time for a full work out with it at the range, but did zero it in my back yard range. Back yard range consists of a box tghtly packed with paper as a bullet trap, shooting from inside the garage so as not to disturb the neighbors with the noise...

Here's some pics:







The offhand groups were shot with CCI CB Shorts, not quite as accurate as target grade ammo, but good for back yard shooting. I've found 25 yards is about the maximum range for accuracy with CB Shorts.

Told you it was in excellent condition! I saw a really shabby, worn out one yesterday at the gun show with a price tag of $300, so I definately think it was worth the $350 I paid.

Going deer hunting in the morning, then I'll take the Savage .22 to the range in the afternoon for a full work up.

Thanks to all my friends here on the forum in assisting me with this purchase. Now, to find that Winchester Model 61...

Is that the one that looks similiar to the Remington Model 12?

If so, I've fired a buddy's cool old Savage pump .22 and thought it just the 'Bee's knees'.

If it's one with a checkered stock, I bet its a higher grade model.

I personaly own Remingtons version; a 1920's or 30's Remington 12C. The 12C is a notch upscale of the 12A, which was my fathers ancient .22 pump of choice.

Digging in my old 'Gun Trader's Guide'(21st edition,1998), they value it at $300, octagon barrel pre-war, round barrel post-war, checkered stock and forearm pre-war, plain stock and grooved forearm post-war, made 1929-67....and thats about all I know about the Savage 29

My book has the same info as Steve.If the price is right buy it

I have one with an old little scope on it, Mine is the octagon barrel and it is dang accurate.
We shoot shotgun shells with it at the 50 yard line, And usually hit them pretty regularly!
If it's in the 2-250 range it would be a good plinker if you like the older .22s as I do.
Peter

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Yes, I think I'll make a move on it. I like the looks of it, and I think it will fit right in with my collection of .22 rifles....


Now, if I could only find a Winchester Model 61....

They are fine little rifles, if the price is right- and the price is key.

IMHO, $300 should be top dollar for a nearly new example.

Quite a bit less for one with wear, but I've seen worn out ones priced at $600! I call tactics like that, "fishing (for a sucker)"

I haven't looked at the auctions for these, so my opinions might be low, but you can pay a bit more and get a Remington 12 or more still and get a clean Winchester.

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Saw one in a gun store about six months ago. About 100 miles from my house. It was in very good shape. Did not look at barrel. They wanted $180.00 for it. Had never seen one before. Came home and talked to a very knowledgeable local gun dealer about it. He was very enthusiastic about them. Told me if I got it for $180.00 and did not like it, he would pay me the $180.00 and sales tax for it. Made a special trip back to get it. Of course it was gone. Have been looking at them ever since. Not a lot of them around. Saw one at a gun show, NIB with tags and paper work. Guy was asking $500.00. Did not want one that bad. Have seen several for $250.00 or more. Not in as good of condition as the one I missed. Every one I have talked to likes them. One guy told me they were not considered as nice as Winchester or Remington .22 pumps when they were made, but people that wanted a good rifle that was not as expensive bought them. If I ever see another one in that shape, at that price I will buy it. I thought it looked good but was not sure. I should have trusted my instincts.

The nice thing is that they will handle .22 shorts just fine for backyard pests as well as using the regular long rifle cartridges. I have an octagon barrel version that isn't too cherry, but it shoots just fine.

Myron

I have a Rem 12A and I prefer shooting the Savage 29.
Lets keep in mind that I have nearly 2 dozed old .22s.
My absolute favorites is a well worn Marlin 39A from the early 50s.
But the Savage 29 is up there as a favorite shooter.

It's the second one in from the left.
Sorry, I have no good pics of it.
And unfortunately several more have made homes here that are not in pic.

Peter

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The pre-war guns had cast receivers. Don't recall if the post war guns did or not. If you frequent enough gunshows & shops you've probably seen the brilliant purple/red color of a hot salt reblued cast receiver Savage 22 pump.
I have a Meriden Arms made and marked version around here somewhere. Meriden went under in 1918 so the design has been around for a while. Meriden used Savage patents for this and a pump 12ga shotgun also. The Savage shotgun pat. is from 1912 IIRC and I don't think Savage ever produced the gun after Meriden folded.

The cast receiver can wear out quicker than a forged one. I've seen some that have but I'd gather it was an awful lot of use and at least some abuse and poor maintainance with corrosive ammo of the times that contributed to it.

They are sleek classic 22 pumps and if in good condition make nice shooters. Critical parts can be hard to come by if you need them. Unless it's something really special like NIB with papers, etc, they should be bought for less than a comparable Rem or Win of the same era.

This one is as new condtion as one could expect for a rifle made in the Fiftys. The shop that has it is known for high quality stuff, he also has an octagon barrel one but he says he'll hang on to that one. Price is $350, I'm going to put a dposit on it this morning, and go ahead and get it.

Another thing about this shop, he'll let you step out back and try it before you buy it with old rifles. He has a dirt pile out back where he test fires rifles.

I bought a Winchester Model 62A from him a while a go, He gave me a good deal on it.

I am thinking that 350 is a tad high for something you're going to shoot a bunch
Check in with these guys before you go and buy.
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Sea...avage+model+29
Now I will add that just because I think it
is too rich for my blood, Does now mean that it's too much $$$$ overall.

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Any idea where the model #25 falls in with the 29?It seems that the 25 is a lot harder to find out much about.

I can tell you what the ancient 'Gun Traders Guide' says about the Model 25.

Takedown, Hammerless, caliber .22 short(20rds),longs(17rds),Long Rifle(15rds)

weighs about 5 3/4 pounds, 24" octagon barrel, open rear/blade front sights,

Plain pistol grip stock, grooved slide handle, Made 1925-29, value $325

This is from a 1998 published Gun Traders Guide. Ain't got any pictures of the Model 25, but sounds about like the Model 29 which would seem to be the 25's replacement.

Just a word of caution about cleaning a model 29:
There is a 1/4 inch ball bearing that controls the cartridge feed. If you drop the bearing and it rolls into neverland, several cartridges will spill into the action when you operate the slide. Just replace the steel ball and everything will be OK again.
Happened to me, and the gun set un-useable for several years. The 'smith that I took it to couldn't figure it out!

Myron

The Model 25 looks almost identicle to the Model 29A but is a different gun inside and the parts won't interchange.
The Model 25 was discontinued in the late 1920's and the Model 29 was brought out which was a slightly updated Model 25 , but not the rifle the original poster asked about.

This Model 29 was dropped after a couple of years and the Model 29A was brought out about 1932/33. Different mechanics inside, but again they all look much the same from the outside.

They all kinda look the same:
Model 25...pre WW1 pat... mid to late 20's
Model 29...updated Model 25,,1930 to 1933(?)
Model 29A, 29B....complete redesigned mechanism..1933(?) to 50's/60's. 29A-smooth top recv'r,,29B grooved recv'r.(I think I got that right!)

added.....a few 29B models are marked '29G' for some reason (grooved?). No difference in the two other than the marking.
Lots of small variations through the years as typical of Savage mfg.

Being in "as new" condition I would certainly buy it. You don't see them in that condition often and it is a little different seeing the gun in person compared to pictures on an auction.
Ed

I put some money down to hold the rifle for thirty days, then went to the gun show today and sold some "Ho-Hum" stuff, so I'll go by and pick it up tomorrrow. Also bought a Savage Model 5 target rifle with a Lyman tangient sight at the show for $115, so I'm feeling kind of lucky. Here's some pics of the Savage Model 5:





Shot a few rounds through it in my back yard when I got home, some .22 long rifles and CB shorts, works good and looks to have promising accuracy. I'll take it to the range tomorrow and give it a thorough range test, along with the Savage Model 29.

My back yard range consists of shooting into a box packed tightly with paper, and we have a large field behind the house in case I miss my back stop. I shoot from inside the garage using mostly CB shorts so as not to annoy the neighbors...

Now, if my luck holds, I'll find that Winchester Model 21!

BTT with update and pics...

Sorry to bring up an old thread but I have a model 29 that was my Grandfathers, my Mothers and now mine. I shot it some(close to forty years ago). The last time I shot it, when I took it apart to clean I noticed the firing pin was broken. So I put it away(for forty years).
This winter I took it to the local gunsmith to replace/make a new firing pin. He ordered the part. I took a couple of months for it to arrive...
When he replaced the firing pin, he ran into the same issue you described. All of the rounds spill into the action when pumping a new round. He found a very fuzzy diagram online that showed a ball bearing but doesn't say where it goes. I guess I didn't see it fall out when I took it apart many many years ago. The diagram shows multiple options for what I assume would be the Model 20, 20A & 29B so I wasn't so sure the ball was originally in my rifle(but now I know it is)
The gunsmith couldn't figure out where it is supposed to fit. He let me come into his shop and see if I could figure it out as it was frustrating him. In the three hours(over two different days) I spent playing around with it I couldn't figure it out either.

I have it back at my house now. My question is, can you(or any other member) explain or post a photo or two of exactly where that ball is supposed to fit? It would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks for any help and have a great day!
Bob

There's a couple of vids on youtube that might help, you'll have to see for your self.

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For some reason your photos are not showing up on this computer, there is a "Huge Domains.com" , Shop for Over 200,000 Premium Domains advertisment in the place where photos should appear, would sure enjoy seeing your rifle, thanks.

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I've looked at every video I can find regarding this rifle and have had no luck. They show everything but the ball and it's placement. I believe one mentioned the ball but nothing about where it fits.
Any links would be appreciated.

Sorry, I did not post any photos. I've been having photo hosting issues this week and can't upload anymore. It's frustrating. Time to shop around for another picture hosting site.
Once I get that taken care of I'll post some photos!

This video. At around 17:00 shows the "ball bearing"




https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-man...rifles-sav/29a

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Those photos were posted nine years ago.

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There is a Model 29
also a Model 29A and Model 29B.

The Model 29 is the earlier gun of the bunch and completely different gun inside as far as parts go.
Not much if anything from the Model 29 will fit the later models 29A and 29B,,though they all look pretty much the same at first glance.
Only very slight differences in frame contour and screw placement on the side tell a quick difference.

They are marked differently and plainly as a 29 or a 29A or 29B.
(The 29B is the mearly the factory prepped for a scope version of the 29A.)

The earlier Model 29 is the gun that used the small steel ball as a cartridge cut-off devise.
The later 29A and 29B do not use this and instead use a small near bow-tie shaped piece that pivots on a pin.

If you do have a MOdel 29 that uses the steel ball as a cartridge stop,,that ball sits in a pocket in the frame on the right side in line with the magazine tube.
It's under that area on the the lower front of the right side of the frame where it is cut out and shaped so you can see the pump op-rod slide into the frame.

If the slide and op-rod have been removed, there's good chance the small ball went for a ride and was never missed.

There is no spring behind it, it just sits in a semiround bottomed pocket in the frame and the op-rod pushes it outward into the mag tube feed area to cut off the cartridges. A round hole/void cut in the op-rod placed just right allows the ball to retreat as the op-rod is pumped. That allows the cartridges in the mag to bypass the 'ball' and there's room for 1 to feed onto the carrier at that time.
Simple,,but you need that little ball in there.

To replace it, TD the rifle and remove the bolt assembly and set it aside.
-Take the inner mag tube out and set it aside.
-Remove the small screw and washer/spacer inside the loading port of the magazine tube holding the outer tube in place.
-Remove both screws holding the wooden forend on. IIRC there are washers underneath that'll probably come out with them or maybe stick in the holes. At least be aware of them and don't let them drop away on you.

- Now you can simply pull the out magazine tube forward and off the rifle. It may need some help as it may resist sliding thru the forward ring.
You can always tap the ring free of the bbl and twist it off first. There's plenty of play in the tube at this point to allow it. They are on w/a straight dovetail,,not the rotary dovetails like the Winchester and some Remingtons.

-With the tube out,,pull the wood portion forward and off the gun.
-Now you have just the slide op-rod in place w/it's reinforcement collar that slides up inside the wooden forend.

- With the recv'r lying right side up,,Tip that entire piece up front the front end and you can lift it right off the frame.
You may haveto hold the slide release latch back to avoid interference when doing so but the op-rod should lift right off.
-Underneath on the machined surface that was hidden by the op-rod when the gun was assembled you will plainly see the socket that the small steel ball simply sits in.
Drop it in and reassemble. There is no spring or other part in the assembly

If you look at the end of the op rod you will notice the round cut out in it. That is the void that passes by the ball in opperation that allows the ball to retreat from blocking the cartridges in the tube and one gets fed to the carrier at that time.
As the solid surface then pushes the ball back into position, the cartridges are again blocked (cut-off) from the magazine tube.

Here's a couple pics (I hope ) of a Model 29 of mine. I took it down and tried to take a pic of the ball on place inside the tube. I think you can just see it in there poking out ever so slightly to do it's job.
This one is a 'Ranger' marked rifle, but the same as a Model 29

Looking at the inside front face of the frame on it's side,,chamber at the left,,magazine at the right. That round lug hanging down is the op-rod lug that engages the bolt.
-That ball cut-off is just visible peeking into the mag runway at 12 oclock in this pic.
If you stood the frame upright, that ball would be at 3 oclock and and entring from the right hand side of the frame


Just another pic of the bolt from this one.
This is called a 'high speed bolt'.


The carrier and bolts were modified along the way in production of the Model 29 so as to better support the back of the cartridge. This as HS ammo became more popular. The Model 29 was made up to the mid to late 30's.
They didn't do anything about the locking surface bolt to frame engagement, that stayed the same IIRC.
I still consider all these older Savage/Stevens pump 22's as Standard Vel only guns no matter which bolt variation they may have.

The Model 29A and 29B are fine with HS ammo and were designed for it.

Hope this all helps..

Isn't this all covered in the video I posted above?

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Thank you for the video! That looks a lot like another video I watched, but was not as in depth as this one. I've got the rifle loading correctly now. Can't wait to shoot it tomorrow! Thanks again!

Thank you for the detailed write up! Re-reading it a couple times as I broke it down helped. I'll be shooting this rifle tomorrow!

BTW: the serial number is 119644K. I hope to get my photo hosting issue straightened out soon. When I do I'll post some of the rifle!

One other thing. What ammunition do you recommend for an old 22 like this. I hear high velocity isn't good. I did see someone recommend golden bullet. Too many options!

I have had a couple Sav pump 22s. The only one I have now is a parts
gun. It is the model with octagon barrel and a clip magazine. I have taken
barrel and stock/ forend already to fix other ones.

"....Isn't this all covered in the video I posted above?...."

Probably is..
Your video wasn't posted when I started putting together my response.
It takes me , a long while typing w/one finger. Finding the rifle and taking the pics, getting everything to work more time.
I've never been accused of being too quick.
I see it took me about an hour to put that together and post it.
I won't waste my time then.

Your post was most excellent.


The internet is truly amazing.

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I assumed by the volume of material you posted, you'd started making your post well before the post with the video was posted.

Please do "waste" your time. To be honest I read posts before looking at videos. I used your post to fix my rifle before even looking at the video. I do appreciate the video link.
Again, thank you for going to all that effort. The part about keeping an eye on the washers was very good. It would have been easy to lose more parts if you hadn't mentioned it. Anyone who wants the help will be appreciative of you doing so!

I knew that ball had to go somewhere up at the magazine tube. I just never noticed that small hole!