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Old 09-09-2009, 11:52 PM
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I haven't done any research on Glocks because I have found much better info on this forum than from manufacture ads.

My question is how much of the guns are made of steel? The reason I ask is that I want a gun that can withstand a lot of moisture...like in the shower.
I guess that sounds kinda goofy but the crack head population grows a little more every day around here. I want something my wife can take in the shower with her when I'm not here.
There has been an increase in B&E's and I don't like the thought of her (or me!) being in a compromising position without a gun within reach.
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Barrel and slide. Mags have a metal sleeve. Tenifer coating (I think they have changed it somewhat on the newest generation) is one of the toughest for this type of gun.

From the torture testing info and videos I've seen you could probably leave them in a bucket of water next to the shower and just shake the water out when you need to use them. Not something you would really want to do, but I guess as far as plastic pistols that can withstand moisture Glocks are right there at the front of the race.

I have a model 23 (.40 cal). It's my carry gun.

But my heart still belongs to my S&W revolvers.
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Yeah, I'm not crazy about the thoughts of a plastic gun, but in the situation I want it for it seemed like the logical choice.
Any suggestions on a used model to be looking for? You said they may have changed the coating on the new generation...for the good or for cuttin' corners?
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Any suggestions on a used model to be looking for?
Ya can't go wrong with a G19.
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Ya can't go wrong with a G19.
So it will survive the moisture? And possibly even being soaked?

BTW...does the number, such as G19 or G23 have anything to do with the caliber or does it just go up a number with every new production year? I guess these sound like stupid questions, but I know absolutely nothing about a Glock.
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Glock numbers confuse me. The first one, I think, was the Glock 17. Full size 9mm, 17 round mag. The 19 is a tad smaller frame, still 9mm, but has a 15 round mag. I like my G19, but I've never taken it in the shower.
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Thanks G. I think that's what I'll look for. I need something a little smaller anyway for my wife.
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I like my G22 alot. They're like a Timex.
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You could take a bubble bath with a Glock, and it would be ready to go!
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Well, you don't get to be an issued sidearm by accident. I wouldn't think. Glock and a whole bunch of others have Mr. Browning to thank though.
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I think a Glock would do just fine as a shower gun. Check this torture test out:

Glock 21 Torture Test - Theprepared.com

The model numbers are pretty simple. The first commercially available Glock was the 17, and they are sequential as new models came out. There is a good chart on Wikipedia that shows what is what.
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My wife has a 2 way webcam set up in various rooms in our house, including the shower....if anyone breaks in, her businessman "friend" in Germany can alert her to the danger.
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I like S&W or I guess I wouldn't be here but my arsenal don't stop with them. Funny how everyone made fun of Glock's "plastic". Now just about every manufacturer, if not all, makes them.

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I think a Glock would do just fine as a shower gun. Check this torture test out:

Glock 21 Torture Test - Theprepared.com

The model numbers are pretty simple. The first commercially available Glock was the 17, and they are sequential as new models came out. There is a good chart on Wikipedia that shows what is what.
Impressive. Thanks for lookin' up that link for me. I'll never be that hard on any gun.
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My wife has a 2 way webcam set up in various rooms in our house, including the shower....if anyone breaks in, her businessman "friend" in Germany can alert her to the danger.
Sip! You actually had a straight answer! I'm stunned.
As soon as I saw your avatar I thought, "oh ****...here I am talkin' about takin' guns in the shower and Sip's got wind of it".
I woulda swore I was gonna be the butt of some kind of cruel and unusual punishment
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Can't really go wrong with a Glock 20 (10mm I think). As much as I protest Glocks, I might be the owner of one soon
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If memory serves, glocks are 83% steel. This came out back in '87 when all the media was going nuts about guns that go through metal detectors and such.
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Is it just me? If I felt the need for a gun in the shower, I would move to a better neighborhood...
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Just a heads-up, The Beretta Forum Classifieds has some police trade-ins listed $340 to $400 with one mag. Several models mostly 2nd generation. Might have to go down a page or two. Seller is the founder or one of the founders of that forum. I have no connection to the sale but i do have one of the 1st generation Mod 17s on the way
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Seems that CDNN and others have had some used Glocks. I think many were 17's. The prices have not been bad and I would not worry about getting one wet.
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I have carried my glock in the shower in Afghanistan and Iraq. Took a short piece of para cord, pulled out the inner threads, ran the cord through the small hole in the rear butt of the pistol (guess its there for a lanyard). Tie the cord and use a match or cigarette lighter to melt the ends of the knot. Loop will hang over a towel hook inside the shower. Mount the hook in the wall high enough and to the side, and your glock won't get more than a little moisture. If you get used to holding the pistol with the loop up, and grasped in the palm of your hand, the loop won't even hinder reloads. Easier and quicker to do than my poor explanation.

You can also easily hang the pistol from the TP holder next to the commode.
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Over on Glocktalk there was a topic going about this very subject. One of the more interesting posts that may help you out was one of a vacuum packed Glock.

The guy had it hanging on the shower head in the shrink wrap so it could stay there forever with no damage.

The shrink wrapped gun wasn't fast draw by any means but within a few seconds it would be ready to go.

A long story short. Many years ago a friend was getting ready for her husband to get home from a TDY. She was showering and she heard something coming from the living room. She snuck out of the bathroom and peeked around the corner and seen a intruder. She ran into the bedroom slammed the door and screamed, I'm alone, I'm naked, I'm a woman, I'm scared and I got a gun. All she heard was breaking glass. She stayed in the bedroom until she heard her husband come home. When they looked for the broken glass they found the intruder had jumped through second story window. Cops never did find him.

Besides the gun, hopefully you also have alarms and maybe a yapper dog too.
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I love my S&W's for their beauty and feel. But for carry, it is a Glock that gets the nod. I've owned them for 10+ years now, in calibers from 9mm to .45 acp and I have NEVER had a malfunction, even a smokestack or misfeed, in any Glock I have ever fired.

Next point, I don't baby my carry gun. It is carried in a hot, humid, sweaty environment for up to 18 hours a day, seven days a week. No signs of rust. The only "wear" I can detect is a slight graying of the Tenifer on the beveled edges on the front of the slide.

As for the model numbers, they aren't that bad at all:

Full Size Intermediate Size Compact
9mm G17 G19 G26
10mm G20 G29
.45 G21 G30
.40 G22 G23 G27
.357 G31 G32 G33

This leave out the .380's that aren't available in the USA. Also I didn't note the .45 GAP calibers, I have no interest in them, so I don't know what the heck they are!

Further, there are some special weapons as well, the G18 is a 9mm full-auto that is otherwise just like the G17. The G17L is a long-slide competition 9mm, the G34 is a slightly shorter 9mm with adjustable sights, about the same overall as a 1911. The G35 is the same gun in .40.

A great feature about the Glocks is that if you stay in the same frame size, the guns fit the same holsters, and the longer mags function perfectly with the compact guns. I have a photo of a 33-round 9mm mag in a G26 sub-compact, looks weird, but it works.

The sub-compact version and the full-size in the same caliber have identical frames, only the slide/barrel/frame lengths differ. So a belt-slide holster for a G26 will also work with any other small-frame Glock, the 9mm, .40, .357's are all small frame. All 10mm and .45 acp guns are large-frames, and have commonality of holsters within those two calibers, again only differing in slide/barrel/frame size.

By the way, the .40 and .357 guns are basically interchangeable caliber also. They can use the same mag, just buy another barrel for $100-$300 and you have a two caliber weapon.

There are reports that the .40 version is the "weakest" of the bunch based on the area of support for the cartridge head. There are supposedly more reports of kabooms in this caliber. For what it is worth, the G22 in .40 is also the number one gun/caliber in use by law enforcement in the USA.

As for the shower, don't even bother to shake off the water before you fire. You cannot hurt one under normal use.

Hope I didn't confuse things too much!

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Why don't you do the same thing that many other people do and it keeps any gun shower safe??

Get a one gallon Ziploc bag, and place gun inside, and take out enough air so you can get your finger in the guard.

I've a friend thats done this with a Colt Cobra for many years.

And, if you have to use it, after the first shot it won't matter if it's wet or not. I wouldn't recommend using a semi-auto in a bag of any kind, some guys tried it at the range, and the bag would either not let the empty case eject all the way and jam it, or the bag would get caught in the breech between the slide and barrel and wouldn't let it go back into battery if fired within the bag on the first shot.

This didn't happen with the revolver.
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I would trust a revolver over an auto for shower duty. A beater Smith 642 would seem like a great little gun for the task, but I would still take it out of the shower and wipe it down and spray WD-40 and Rem0il into the internals and let it dry out good. Shower steam is wicked on a gun, and a friend of mine learned that the hard way about a year ago. He said he had two old S&W .38s he wanted to sell and I wasn't really interested at the time, until I saw one. It was a mint condition 1964 M-36 Square butt 3" barrel in the box with tools and papers. The factory paper crackled when I took the gun out just like the day it rolled off the assmbley line in 1964, and I don't think the gun had ever been out of the box since the day it was purchased. I quickly bought it for $310 and he said the other one was just like it except it was a 2" nickle plated gun at his mothers house. I saw him a couple of days after he went to his mom's house and he pulled out the S&W blue box and removed the lid. His eyes got as big as saucers! The gun looked like it had been lying on the bottom of the ocean for a year! It was totally corroded and deeply pitted and looked like it would never fire again. He said he stored it in a cabinet next to her shower when his own house was being remodeled.
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All great info. I appreciate it guys. The torture test made a believer out of me. I think I'm gonna hunt down a used Glock 17, 19, or 26. I like the idea of just hanging the gun from a lanyard like JJ was talking about and then just basically shaking the water off of it.
From the info I've gathered here, it sounds like the Glock is a much more impressive firearm than many people give it credit for.
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I wouldn't recommend using a semi-auto in a bag of any kind...
Good point. That is why a Centennial type revolver of any flavor makes such a great "coat pocket" gun.

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All great info. I appreciate it guys. The torture test made a believer out of me. I think I'm gonna hunt down a used Glock 17, 19, or 26. I like the idea of just hanging the gun from a lanyard like JJ was talking about and then just basically shaking the water off of it.
From the info I've gathered here, it sounds like the Glock is a much more impressive firearm than many people give it credit for.


Buds gunshop has Maryland State Police trade-in Glocks for $349 delivered including 3 mags.
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Thanks Farmer. I'll look 'um up.
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Yeah, I'm not crazy about the thoughts of a plastic gun, but in the situation I want it for it seemed like the logical choice.
Any suggestions on a used model to be looking for? You said they may have changed the coating on the new generation...for the good or for cuttin' corners?
I'd reccomend a G19 also. It is reported to be even more reliable then the G17. 15, 17 and 33 round factory Glock mags are available for the G19.


40 caliber Glocks do not run well with lights attached. My agency is getting rid of all are G22's and G23's for G17's and short frame G21's. I unfornanatley personally own a G22 and a G23 that will not run well with a light attached.

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Just leave the cheap plastic sights on it. The night sights I have on my glock rusted in salt water.
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If you want smaller check out the Glock 26 (9mm). I have a 27 (.40 cal.) I do not think they import the 28 (.380). 29 is the 10mm. I think these are the smallest of the Glocks.
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oops sorry I missed Highlanders post. He pretty much covered it.
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My G27 is as accurate as could be, at 25 yards, in spite of the short barrel. And those 40 cal cartridges do bark.
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Hi:
If the bathroom where you shower has a solid door and a dead bolt lock,
why would you need to have a weapon inside the shower stall?
In my master bathroom where I shower and change clothing is a night stand where I keep wallet, keys, cell phone, weapon and extra ammo from my take off clothes while I shower and before dressing again.
A barking dog and a 12ga is my home protection.
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you could always just slide whatever you want in a gallon size zip-lock bag........
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Hi:
If the bathroom where you shower has a solid door and a dead bolt lock,
why would you need to have a weapon inside the shower stall?
In my master bathroom where I shower and change clothing is a night stand where I keep wallet, keys, cell phone, weapon and extra ammo from my take off clothes while I shower and before dressing again.
A barking dog and a 12ga is my home protection.
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We don't have all that stuff. We live in an older home and the bathroom door is just a hollow core.
As for moving, we'd love to but that's not possible right now. Work has almost come to a standstill and from what I'm seeing things aren't gonna get any better anytime soon.
Besides, I'm talking about my wife. She's scared here by herself. Especially in the shower where she can't hear what's goin' on in the rest of the house.
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Firearms, Guns, Rifles. Grain Valley, Missouri.

Glock 22s for $330.
Absolutely. I've done a number of deals with Mark, both buying and selling, always great to work with.
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From Steave: Absolutely. I've done a number of deals with Mark, both buying and selling, always great to work with.

Just emailed them and inquired about the G19 or 26. I told them you guys gave them a good recommendation.
Thanks to everybody for the input.
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That poor Glock sure did take a beating but kept on ticking I mean shooting. It's pretty interesting the things he put his Glock through to see if it worked but I sure wouldn't do any of my guns that way.
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I don't know that a handgun is enough gun for shower duty. Probably better to have a long gun.... and a cookie.

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I think you left out the Glock 36. It's sort of hard to classify: a single stack 45 (mag holds 6 rounds), and about intermediate between the 'intermediate' length and the 'pocket rockets'. I have one and it's probably the best concealed carry weapon I own.
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My agency issues the G-19 for 90% of our people. It seems to fit everyone's hands well, sixteen rounds (with one up the pipe), and is comfortable to carry for 12-16 hours a day. If it were my choice I'd carry a larger caliber pistol, but have to admit the 9mm will probably do anything ever required of it.
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I have 2 Glocks, a 17L (9mm) for the range and a 37 (45 GAP) for the nightstand...both have been problem free, easy to use and parts/accessories are readily available.
I'm impressed enough to seriously consider a model 38 (45 GAP in a 19 size package) as a carry gun...I'll save the 629 for short range hunting.
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Cyrano,
yep, I forgot that one. Nice gun, the G29/G30 just don't fit my hand, although the G20/G21 do. Not sure why.

I don't think I mentioned the long slide 17L in 9mm, or the 24 either. The last run of 24's they made, I ran into one at an out of the way gun shop, just killing time. They had the gun, I had no play money! Go figure.

I love my Smiths, but I carrys me some Glocks!

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Glock are great defensive pistols ....... but I prefer my weapons to have a little style also ......
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Another vote for G19...
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I carry a glock 30 everyday because I like the big grip and .45 cal. Everyones different and a lot of guys don't like .45 cal. for some reason. Why does everyone like 9mm? A deputy in the next county from where I use to live shot a guy five times with a 9mm and he was still running from him. I bet if he had been shot five times with a .45 he wouldn't have been running.
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Our Department has had Glocks issued for the past 10 years and they have served us well. I personally own 3 Glocks, the G22, the G34, and the G19. The G19 has been the gun I have shot the most and at one time had an unlimited supply of free ammo and put nearly 7000 rounds through this gun without ever even taking the slide off. These guns are great and should be problem/maintenance free. However, just because you CAN get away without cleaning and lubing your glock for thousands of rounds doesn't mean it should be done on a gun you plan to use to possibly save you or your wife's life. I have had my G19 fully submerged in fresh water and salt water while fishing. I have had it in the rain, mud, snow, dust storms and its been left in my vehicle in extreme heat and its never missed a beat. Be careful with trying to emulate some of the torture testing though, for instance you CAN"T safely fire a Glock underwater unless you have the Marine spring cups, its a 9mm, you're using sub-sonic FMJ ammo, and the air bubbles are out of the barrel. And if you were to try this you don't want your head below the surface of the water because you WILL damage your hearing. One great thing about a Glock is that you can take the slide off and put the frame on the top of rack of your dishwasher to clean it. The bottom might get too hot and melt it, but the top rack works great, I have had 8 Glocks in my dishwasher at one time before and it worked out very nicely.
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