Merwin Hulbert .38 (updated pictures)

dogngun · #**151** 05-03-2013, 12:49 PM

I believe what you are quoting refers to the Sharps company that Broadsword owns...a part of which is Merwin Hulbert.

Broadsword specifically states they are not going to make revolvers, and will refund the down payments already made...

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CNCforLife · #**152** 05-03-2013, 12:57 PM

Not sure why you think the two companies are related? Other than the same name (Broadsword), there is no connection.

Welcome to Broadsword Group

I thing it prudent to exercise caution as many of the same players are involved. Hopefully, they will make their claim of reimbursing deposits reality.

Tom K · #**153** 05-15-2013, 08:42 PM

I received via certified mail, a letter from the new owners. Inside was a letter describing the acquisition of Merwin Hulbert by the Broadsword Group LLC, and their intention to refund those who had paid in. There was another letter with the specifics of my particular order and a copy of the original invoice, and a form to be signed and mailed as to whether I agreed or disagreed with the amount shown. Also an addressed, prepaid envelope.

All was in order on my form, so I'm sending it in. We'll see what happens.

Tom K · #**154** 06-06-2013, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom K

I received via certified mail, a letter from the new owners. Inside was a letter describing the acquisition of Merwin Hulbert by the Broadsword Group LLC, and their intention to refund those who had paid in. There was another letter with the specifics of my particular order and a copy of the original invoice, and a form to be signed and mailed as to whether I agreed or disagreed with the amount shown. Also an addressed, prepaid envelope.

All was in order on my form, so I'm sending it in. We'll see what happens.

I received a refund check from Merwin Hulbert

Modelof1891 · #**155** 06-07-2013, 02:15 PM

I also had my non-refundable deposit to Merwin Hulbert & Company come in today from the SRC (Sharps Rifle Company, Jay Lesser Pres.).

The Broadsword Group is not related to the former Merwin Hulbert & Co.LLC and surprised me by sending me money. I never expected a refund if the Merwin Hulbert Revolver was never reproduced.

This says a plenty for the Broadsword Group!

Just wished to pass this information along so all the negative words can now be covered by a company promoting the spirit of positive outcome in shooting sports!!!

Terry Wagner

twaits · #**156** 01-31-2014, 03:12 PM

I wish that some company would buy off all of that research and development they did and invest in building a new Merwin Hulbert. Seems like they were so close. What a shame they weren't able to pull it off.

jimmyj · #**157** 01-31-2014, 03:35 PM

Merwin- Hulbert Revolver:
1. Travis had and carried one on a TVs "Virginian" espisode
2. In one of the later "Man Called Horse" movies Richard Harris's character son carried one.

LaVistaBill · #**158** 02-06-2014, 12:47 AM

A coworker brought a revolver in to work to show me; turns out it's a Merwin, Hulbert & Co. Pocket .38 model. I took a few pictures of it, the serial number is 1373 and as you can see the nickel finish is kind of rough. The single-action notch on the hammer must've sheared off as it will only operate in the DA mode - timing and lock-up seem OK. The left grip panel down at the butt has a chunk out of it and the barrel near the muzzle was pretty rusty, however balance of the 3.5" barrel is OK as are the cylinder chambers. The gun belongs to my coworker's friend, who found it wrapped up in a sock in an old shoebox. I've offered to buy it and want to give a fair price. Any idea on the value and when it was made, the serial number seems pretty low...

Modelof1891 · #**159** 02-08-2014, 11:58 PM

Hello LaVista Bill,
Your friends Merwin Hulbert was made about 1882-1883 with that early number.
The frame was thicker on a number of the early. I say thicker but meaning taller from area behind the trigger guard to the top of the hammer. It also has the early grips with the large checker board or basket weave in the circle.
The value for the condition is about 300.00 to 350.00

Terry Wagner

LaVistaBill · #**160** 02-13-2014, 05:02 AM

Thanks for the info Terry!

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Originally Posted by Modelof1891

Hello LaVista Bill,
Your friends Merwin Hulbert was made about 1882-1883 with that early number.
The frame was thicker on a number of the early. I say thicker but meaning taller from area behind the trigger guard to the top of the hammer. It also has the early grips with the large checker board or basket weave in the circle.
The value for the condition is about 300.00 to 350.00

Terry Wagner

rhmc24 · #**161** 02-16-2014, 06:22 PM

Here's my Merwin open top SA my Dad bought for $15 back in the '60s. Shortly thereafter I bought one similar but with the top strap in Mexico City also for $15. Unfortunately Dad sold it soon after for $60.

Thuer · #**162** 02-16-2014, 06:47 PM

That is a nice first model. I like the system of the Merwin and Hulbert. When I saw the working first I was amazed. I do own a .38 with folding hammer. My dream is a first or second model with skullcrusher grip.

Gun and Harry · #**163** 04-21-2016, 09:57 AM

Hallo Merwin and Hulbert fans! After I had been reading this thread concerning gorgeous MH firearms I became very interested in it. That is why I today bought in Prague, Czech Republic, a very nice MH Pocket revolver 4th Model, DA .38 Cal. with 3 1/2 inch barrel (no sign on a left barrel´s side), 100% renickel plated, folding hammer, 3 screws on left side plate, black hard rubber grips (right broken and sealed). Only markings are there on left frame side "38 CAL."
I would like to ask You, when approximately this gun was made? The lone Number under the left grip panel, on the frame is 9199, which I believe is the Serial No. The Number on the butt, the barrel and on the cylinder is 17824 which I suppose is the assembly No.
Many thanks for any help which I would greatly appreciate.
Best regards Jan.

deadin · #**164** 04-21-2016, 11:57 AM

Jan,
The best I can offer is from a derived serial number range for M&H double action revolvers in the Vorisek book on Hopkins & Allen firearms.
M&H serial number 9199 would be estimated from early 1884.

I have a fairly decent little .32 M&H but it needs grips (It's currently wearing a purloined pair of S&W panels) and internally needs a single action sear.
(The step has broken off.)

So, if anybody could help me out on these, I would be eternally grateful....

Gun and Harry · #**165** 04-21-2016, 02:46 PM

Hallo Dean,
Thank You very much for Your realy important and quick answer to my question, which pleased me a lot. I would try to get the above mentioned book by Mr. Vorisek, by the way his name seems to be of a Czech origin and means a Nut (e.g. Hazelnut) in our language.
Unfortunately I am not able to help You, but the SW grips are quite matching from practical point of view. I wish You will be successful. Good luck, Jan.

jimmyj · #**166** 04-21-2016, 03:23 PM

I was fortune to observed a M&H up close this past Saturday (4/16).
Our area western theme "Six Gun Territory" reenactors were at our "Boom Town Blast" celebration. I saw one of the "Outlaws" with a odd looking revolver as one of his pair of six guns. I asked and he was kind enough to take the revolver from the holster and demonstrate it. It was a original M&H in 44/40 caliber. I would have thought that a 44/40 revolver would have been larger .

Tom K · #**167** 04-21-2016, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by deadin

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I have a fairly decent little .32 M&H but it needs grips (It's currently wearing a purloined pair of S&W panels) and internally needs a single action sear.
(The step has broken off.)

So, if anybody could help me out on these, I would be eternally grateful....

I have a .44-40 Pocket Army that had the same problem, worked double action but would not cock single action. I took it to a local gunsmith shop and they fabricated an entirely new SA sear piece. It cost $275 and for this gun it was probably worth it. Not sure if it would make sense financially for your .32, as they are typically somewhat lower priced than the .44s. But it may be worth it for your mental well being.

If you're interested PM or email me and I'll give you their contact info.

deadin · #**168** 04-21-2016, 04:13 PM

Tom,
That Pocket Army with all the bells and whistles was definitely worth it.
I agree that my little .32 is probably not worth much more than the $275 it would take to make a new sear. (Plus I still will need grips).
I may see if I can TIG weld a lump on the old sear and file a new step into it. I tried once but got the angles wrong, but nothing says I can't try again. I just need to find someone I know with a welder. The last time I went to a commercial shop and they charged me pretty stiffly for a little lump of weld....

Gun and Harry · #**169** 04-22-2016, 04:17 AM

Hi Dean, I just noticed on the right side of the folding hammer of my above mentioned Merwin Hulbert .38 DA, the very small data stamped on it. There is written "JAN. 27.85". So I suppose that it should be the very production date of the revolver and You estimated it quite precisely. I am really happy now that I know it, it proofs to be an antique firearm according the Czech laws as well, because here for antique guns are taken those made before Dec. 31.1890. Yours truly Jan.

P.S. Today I mentioned the same date (JAN.27.85.) stamped on others Merwin Hulbert Pockets, which seems to be a Patent date for the folding hammer, So Your above mentioned estimated date of the very production would be the correct one. Best regards Jan.

Gun and Harry · #**170** 04-26-2016, 02:13 PM

Hallo Dean, I could not stay and bought today another Merwin Hulbert Pocket revolver 4th Model, cal. 38 DA, 3 1/4 barrel, folding hammer, black rubber grips. Metal has no finish and has been polished to gray patina, 3 screws on left side plate. The matching serial No. there on the barrel, the cylinder and on the frame is 7623. Would You please, be so kind and let me know the estimated production date? Many thanks for any help. Best regards, Jan.

deadin · #**171** 04-26-2016, 08:46 PM

7623 shows in the Vorisek book as being from 1882.

Gun and Harry · #**172** 04-27-2016, 01:33 AM

Hallo Dean, Thank You very much for Your kind and quick answer, You helped me already twice in one week, which I really very appreciate. Unfortunately, I am now short of money after buing two MHs and two SW Safety Hammerless during last month, so I will not disturb You for some time anymore. Have a nice time and good luck, Jan.

P.S. One question more. Dean would You be so kind and could me explain how is it possible, that there on folding hammers on a lot of MHs is stamped Pat. Date JAN.27.85, even if the firearms are made long before the Pat. Date, e.g. in my case the production date is sometime in 1882. The gap is three years?
Many thanks for the explanation, Best regards,Jan.

elpaso45 · #**173** 11-27-2016, 12:49 AM

I just picked up my MH Pocket .38 from the gunsmith. He had to TIG weld a new firing pin on the hammer. Some things I've found out. There was NO .38 S&W Merwins, they were all .38 MH and the rounds haven't been made since 1914. The .38 S&W base is too big for the cam at the back. If you have a folding hammer that doesn't have a half cock, it's probably not broken but just a Hopkins and Allen hammer, different shape. Mine is also a 3 screw side plate, and the finish is at least 90% though a friend thinks it's been re-nickeled. Mine has the 5 inch barrel and the biggest fault is a chip out of the bottom of the left grip. Having trouble with my e-mail or I'd send pictures.

model3sw · #**174** 11-27-2016, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by opoefc

Erik, I got your private message, same as above, and sent you a reply, but got a pop up that said it was an invalid PM???, so will repeat it here: Old catalog ads of the turn of the century era, show prints of M&H revolvers with two sideplate screws. I've nevr seen one with 3 screws, but many guns, of all makes, of that period show up with strange anomalies that do not seem to have a purpose. Maybe the worker that put in that 3rd srew was a Belt & Suspenders guy! Ed. ( PS:, The old tale of "Merwin or Hulbert being killed by Indians is false. It originally started when Fred Bray, of Merwin & Bray (before there was a Merwin & Hulbert) was alledged to have been burned at the stake by Indians out west. Also false. This story stared in 1947 in a couple of magazine articles which said "Frank or Fred Merwin, while traveling in the West, was capturedby Indians at burned at the stake near Ft.Leavenworth in 1865" Totally false. Merwin & Hulbert wasn't founded until 1868. Ed.

Hoping this thread is still open. Did anyone find out if the 2 barrel set matched. I have a set that belinged to Art Phelps. I joined the Merwin Hulber collectors Assn but after Mr Phelps died I could not get an answer from anyone so I suppose no one carried on the "club". Too bad ! Mr. Phelps single handedly created the interest in Merwin Hulbert back in the 1960s and 1960s through to his death.

twaits · #**175** 04-18-2017, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom K

I posted the picture full size on the Merwin Hulbert Forum, along with another CAD rendering.

Merwin Hulbert & Co. Forum: new Merwin production updates

I wonder what happened to the prototypes and all of the R&D work that went into this project?

twaits · #**176** 04-18-2017, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by elpaso45

I just picked up my MH Pocket .38 from the gunsmith. He had to TIG weld a new firing pin on the hammer. Some things I've found out. There was NO .38 S&W Merwins, they were all .38 MH and the rounds haven't been made since 1914. The .38 S&W base is too big for the cam at the back. If you have a folding hammer that doesn't have a half cock, it's probably not broken but just a Hopkins and Allen hammer, different shape. Mine is also a 3 screw side plate, and the finish is at least 90% though a friend thinks it's been re-nickeled. Mine has the 5 inch barrel and the biggest fault is a chip out of the bottom of the left grip. Having trouble with my e-mail or I'd send pictures.

.38 S&W has always worked in my MH. My Dad used to shoot it all the time when he was a kid with 38 S&W and I also shot it when I was much younger. Since then I have decided not to fire anymore smokeless ammo in it though. But all of the .38 S&W ammo I have used in it worked just fine.
Also the .32s are in .32 MH and .32 MH Long (for the large frame 7 shot Merwins). Although the .32 MH long case is a hair shorter than .32 S&W long, .32 S&W long fits in my 7 shot MH.
However, I had a very early Hopkins & Allen .32 Long that was chambered in .32 MH Long and .32 S&W longs would NOT chamber in it. The case was definitely too long for the shoulders in the chamber. So the tolerances in the chambers either varied a bit, or someone at some point reamed out my 7 shot MH to accept .32 S&W long.

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