I bought my two sons nice M1 Garands when they were little, but my baby girl had no interest in such a big gun. We went and looked at .22s, and she picked out one of these:



It cost about as much as a good CMP Garand, but hasn't been quite as enjoyable for her. Oh, it shoots fine - its never jammed, and its very accurate. The problem is that the rifle is really just a Buckmark pistol with a long barrel and a buttstock - with every ammo I've tried I get painful powder spray in my face and left forearm. I think without shooting glasses it would be a safety issue.

I bought it new at Sportsman's Warehouse. I took it to them and they shipped it to Browning. After a couple of months I got a call that they were replacing the receiver. Since it had a new serial number I had to do the 4473 again - no problem there.

I tried it again, and the spitting was noticeably less. With a long sleeve shirt and shooting glasses it was ok. My daughter never really took to it, and still does most of her shooting with her prized Winchester Model 67, given to her by my Dad.

We moved shortly after, and while the rifle made the trip the box and return papers (including the original sales receipt) were either pitched out by the movers or misplaced. At any rate, I don't have them.

I took the rifle out the other day, to see if it had miraculously cured itself in the safe. If anything, its worse.

Now its starting to bug me. I called Browning, and they had no record of the serial number being there for repair. (No surprise - the original gun had been replaced with this one.) They said to send it in (my dime this time, no Sportsman's Warehouse in my new town) with no guarantees.

So, friends, what say you? Is this just a design flaw I should live with and that I should have expected in holding a pistol action four inches from my face? Has anyone here had any experience with this same model? I guess it really cheeses me that I bought this thing thinking I was getting my little girl a great gun, and now she's afraid to shoot it. I wouldn't even feel right selling it off or trading it.

Thoughts?

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Sell it and buy a 10/22 or a GSG-5 if she wants the cool factor
GSG5Rifle.com: GSG GERG2222LTD09TSD GSG5 CAR 22 20 TI

Design flaw-this design started out being a pistol-never meant to be a rifle.

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I hate to pawn off a problem gun on somebody else - they might be buying it for their kid.

I agree wholeheartedly about the GSG5 - lots of cool factor there.

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I'm afraid you're right. Nobody at Browning thought of that?

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That just pretty much sucks.

10-22 with a red dot sight and don't look back? I meen she's a girl, I have two myself, it needs to be fun.

Emory

Yep, for a plinker it's tough to beat a 10/22.

I agree with the anti-repeating pistol into rifle crowd.

But, any young person who likes a 67 would be proud to own one of the CZ 452 variations. It's a quality gun, that like the 67 will be around and serving well for her grandchildren. Not terribly expensive either - highly recommended.

October 12, 2009


Re: Heckler and Koch, Inc. vs. German Sport Guns GmbH, American Tactical Imports, Inc. Civil Action No. 1 : 09-cv-00039-WTL-JMS (S.D. Indiana)


For immediate release,

We are very pleased to report that the litigation filed by Heckler & Koch, Inc. against German Sport Guns GmbH and its U.S. distributor, American Tactical Imports, Inc., together with all counterclaims, has been settled.

The terms of the settlement are confidential to the parties and cannot be disclosed. A dismissal of the above-referenced litigation, and all of the party’s claims against each other, is expected to be filed in the near future.

Attorneys for H&K will be issuing a statement. The attorneys for ATI have already issued a statement announcing the settlement.

Production and importation of the original design GSG-5 ceased as of Oct, 8, 2009 with the signing of the agreement. The remaining inventory now in the USA can be sold by ATI, all distributors and dealers. ATI currently has GSG-5’s in stock.

All sales of the GSG-5 by ATI must conclude by January 31, 2010. ATI will continue to service every firearm that it imports into the USA.

Thank you for your support.
Anthony DiChario
President C.E.O.
American Tactical Imports, Inc.

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If you don't want either of those try a marlin model 60,my son loves his and it was accurate without the scope but with a scope it's even more accurate.

... or a MarlinModel 60



Pete

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I guess I'm not so much looking for recommendations for a replacement as much as I'm undecided as to what to do with the one I've got.

Does anyone have experience with Browning customer service? So far I'm batting zero - they replaced the receiver with another one that does the same thing. Do you think its worth another try?

Does anyone have any experience with this particular rifle and this problem? Maybe there is a simple fix, or a type of ammo that would alleviate the problem.

If this were your gun, would you sell or trade it knowing it had this issue?

I think I paid close to five hundred bucks for this thing, thinking I was getting my girl a high quality gun. I'd hate to just chuck it.

Thanks

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Your "problem" may be due to dirty ammo. Try CCI Mini mags, or another high quality ammo brand.

Pete

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Not sure how old your little girl is...but mine was raised on a single shot, then upgraded to a bolt repeater, a Glock, some Smiths...and so on. recently she got into some .22 rifle and pistol match shooting and found the bolt actions pretty slow and awkward.

I found a used 10/22 in excellent condition and upgraded it with a match trigger, some action parts, and a good quality scope. She really likes it, is going to an Appleseed training clinic next month.

There is so much in the way of parts and accessories available out there that you can definitely "have it your way".

Call Browning and get on their ***! A safety issue with potential bodily harm I'm sure they wouldn't like to hear about from a lawyer. Make 'em swap your's for one of these:

Semi-Auto 22, Grade I, , Browning Firearms Product

Don't take no for an answer. Especially since you've been more than patient with the poc you have now.

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Another vote for the Model 60 Marlin. A great .22 rifle!

Some good advice here.
As said, see what Browning will do for you- as in trading for something useful- anything!
If not, sell it with full disclosure. Someone will buy it, though you might take some loss, but, it went away.

The Marlin 60 is good.
10-22's are good, but not my favorite. I prefer tubes.

A much overlooked old gun that is fabulous- The Remington 552. They eat ANYTHING. I had an old, well broken in one that would even eject CB longs sometimes! The old 550-1 is even better, but much longer for a kid.

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Or how about a lever gun? I can't imagine anyone, kid or adult, not liking a Marlin 39a or a Win 9422! You should be able to trade the Browning for a decent 39a. I mean, Annie Oakley shot a Marlin lever gun!!

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JMO but I do not think sending it back to Browning (even if they pay for it) will make any difference. I also do not think it's a design flaw (not saying you are not getting sprayed) it's just the way it is. I have a Buckmark pistol and when holding it with two hands I do not think it's much farther away than with the rifle version other than having a cheek weld on the stock. I have noticed some powder spray even when shooting my 22 revolvers.

Bottom line, you are not happy with it, your children are not happy with it so, if Browning will not give you credit towards another gun of your choice, sell it or trade it. Do not feel like you passing off a defective or non functioning gun. It is what it is.

There are so many good 22 rifle choices to put up with one you do not like. Many have been mentioned. Ruger, Marlin Savage. Time tested, reliable. Now all the AR style by Ruger, SW, SIG etc but they are more expensive and do not shoot any better. Look cool but you pay for it.