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Finally, Remington Rand
Never thought I could justify the money on one. Long story short, a little gun shop here in Maine had this one for a song. All matching numbers, in excellent condition.
Case of being at the right place at the right time...
1945 Remington Rand...
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That's a beauty, Giz. I can't see any noticeable wear except at the bottom left side of the grip safety. Talk about original GI spec. . . .
Congrats!!
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11-21-2009, 08:54 AM
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I figure it may have been a Tankers or Officers guns. Nice to find one that the armorers didn't mix parts on...
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Nice one Giz!
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11-21-2009, 09:11 AM
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That's a heck of a find! Congrats.
Now, how much and which little shop in Maine? I might have to drop by and check it out sometime.
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Rumor is that Remington is going to drop a 1911 pistol in the first quarter of next year...
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Giz,
Very Nice!
Is the address stamped NY or NEW YORK ?
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Linda,
It's a NY....
So it has the type 3 slide. My gun was made in the last production run of 1945. Which may explain it's condition.
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Very nice find.
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I foolishly sold one a few years back. Sure wish I had it back. Congratulations on a very nice example.
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Looks great Giz, nice find.
Are you changing your interests again to WWII hardware?
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Nope Mick,
Still seeking out early Winchesters...but if a gun like that one jumps out ~ Whatja' Goin Ta Do?
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Saw an Iraqi major carrying a Remington Rand last week. It had been refinished, heavily polished,and had a very mirror bright bluing on the slide. The frame not so bright, but still polished and blued. He had current Winchester hard ball in it. Amazing what you see over here.
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"It's a NY....
So it has the type 3 slide."
Giz:
Nice score! I have a visual twin I bought from a fellow deputy in 1991. Slide is stamped Syracuse, NY on the left side.
What do you mean "type 3 slide"?
"My gun was made in the last production run of 1945. Which may explain it's condition."
Mine has a serial number of 17992XX. Any idea which year? I am not knowledgible... knowledgeble... knowledgeable... smart about these.
Mine was issued to the deputy's father, who served as an officer and a veternarian (took care of pack mules) in the Pacific. Looks like it was rarely carried or shot, either.
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Buff,
Your gun dates to 1944.
There are three slide variations in the Remington Rand series. Type 1 is the rarest and only found on 1942 and very early 1943 production, followed by the type 2 which was only used in 1943, and then the Type 3 used in 1943, 1944, and 1945. Only the type 1 slide stamp has "New York" spelled out, Type 2 & 3 is abbreviated to "N.Y.".
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Gizamo,
Congratulations on finding that RR. I have one too (thanks to LB on this Forum for selling it to me several years ago) and I also learned some interesting history about RR and the production of those guns in WW II days.
During WW II times, there were many civilian product related companies that were under contract to the US Government to manufacture “war effort” related items.
Other companies that also made these for the Government were of course Colt, Ithaca, Union Switch & Signal, and Singer, who made only a very small quantity. An interesting fact about Remington Rands is that more than half the work force was women. They also produced the highest number of .45s at the lowest cost, and are thought by some to have been the best quality of all producers.
The barrels were under contract to different companies. The barrel in this gun was manufactured by High Standard as was commonly found in Remington Rands.
The magazines were also made under contract and normally Remington Rands came equipped with magazine made by General Shaver, which was a division of Remington Rand, and were marked with a “G”, as it is on this one.
In WW II there were many companies that were producing the badly needed items for the war effort. As a result. the US Government deemed certain industries as “essential industries” and the employees of the companies producing war effort related items were then draft exempt from the military service. I would certainly imagine this would have applied to the employees or Remington Rand during this time.
Remington Rand was a very aggressive company and at one time they were producing 50,000 pistols monthly. They also made strong efforts to improve manufacturing processes. As a result on some of their efforts to be better and faster, they developed the Austempering heat treating process that was perfected in the fall of 1944. I understand that process is still a standard today for many gun parts.
You will notice on the left side of the frame behind the trigger guard the Army Ordnance mark “FJA” which was for Colonel Frank J. Atwood.
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Thanks for that information, guys.
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