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Old 02-01-2013, 07:43 PM
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Wow..who woulda thought i would find a thread about this gun on the S&W site!!...I came into possession of a Model 8 today in .35 Rem..My wife brought it home for me from behind her fathers bedroom door..he said its been there for 50 yrs..Needs a good cleaning and someone varnished the stock at some point the metal is 80% id say...stock refinish and a good cleaning and it will be a nice pc..and the price was right!!
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I don't think the engraver ever saw a real buck in his life.
I think you are right, the animals aren't too hot but he sure was good on the scrolls and whorls. That's some good looking work.
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here are a couple of pics of my Mod 8..Built 1936


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Last year I bought an 81 in 35 Rem. Loved the way it shot Rem. 200 gr CoreLoks. Bought the necessary tools to take it down & reassemble it.
Just bought the 35 Rem dies & loaded some 190 gr WFN. Ought to be the berries for hogs in thick timber like I hunt in East Texas. A little heavy so it'll be relegated to the blind & I'll still use the Winchester Trapper in 30/30 w/ Barnes bullets for timber cruising. Great little rifle!
Frank Hamer liked it as well.
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I picked up an early mfg Model 8 in 35 not long ago. Nice bore,,but not so good wood and the top of the rec'vr is pitted badly.
Someone decided the original forend 'loop' used to attach&detach the wood was better served with a battered brass screw of some odd size.
Original rear sight missing...but it shoots OK!
Another project gun I'm afraid,,,I've thoughts of converting it to the Model 8 style pistol grip and restocking it.
I wish I could have gotten the FN 1900, but he was too in love with it & it had more problems than it's sister Model 8..
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Here, after its teardown cleaning and reassembly, is the new Remington 81 I mentioned in a couple of recent threads.



Bore is shiny bright, and the blue finish is about 97% preserved. The wood is in good shape. It does not appear to have been shot much in the first six decades of its life.

A previous owner did a couple of silly things to deal with what he considered problems. One involved putting some kind of glue around the shaft of a mounting screw in hopes of stabilizing the slightly loose fore-end. I cleaned that off, then fixed the looseness with a thin shim in the U-shaped channel at the rear end of the piece. His other odd fix, if that's the term, involved beveling off the top of the long screw that retains the shoulder stock. I guess it hurt his little finger or something. I'll find a replacement for that one. It's still just barely possible to back the screw out with the half-slot left on its head.

The rifle was pretty dry inside, and the action was understandably stiff and draggy. The rotation of the bolt face was affected, so half the time the open/release sequence couldn't even be completed because the improperly aligned bolt couldn't slide all the way forward to the close-and-lock position. Now that everything is cleaned and reinstalled, I haven't had a cycle failure.

I regard the .300 Savage round as a kind of poor-man's .308 Winchester, or maybe .30-06 Lite.

When researching this model and its predecessor, I was surprised to find that Remington made more of the Model 8 (the original Browning design) than of the Model 81 (the slightly revised version that was the first gun's successor). Production of the Model 8, introduced in 1906 and taken out of production in 1936, ran to some 80,000 units. Production of the 81, introduced in 1936 and made until 1950, amounted to about 55,000 units. Note, however, that the 81 was available in the market for only half the time of the 8, and WWII certainly held back production for some of those years. So despite lower total sales, the 81 actually sold at a faster rate than the 8 had in its production lifetime.

I am considering getting a tang sight for this one. I know Marble and Lyman sights were made for this model. Is one to be preferred over another, or is there even another choice that some of you prefer?

Very interesting rifle -- and my first semi-auto long gun. I won't tell you how long it took me to get the action back together after pulling it apart. Many ill-tempered vocal explosions and numerous breaks for pacifying moments of deep breathing were involved in the process, but now I am familiar with how to do it. I'm looking forward to getting some ammo and trying it out. I understand these rifles can be real shoulder punishers. That's a lot of steel slamming around between getting off the first shot and finding yourself ready to deliver the next.
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Nice looking 81..
Besides the Lyman & Marbles folding tang sights that fit using the single factory drilled and tapped hole in the top tang,,Redfield and Williams made a rear 'peep' sight for these too.
These both require the rear face of the receiver to be drilled and tapped for installation,,3 screws for the Redfield IIRC.
They don't make use of the factory mounting hole.

The Redfield is a steel unit,,The Williams is aluminum and neither is micro adjustable if I remember right.
They are simple 'loosen the knob/screw,move the slide,,tighten the knob/screw' style of adjustments.
They are usually cheaper than the tang sights,,but the extra holes drilled don't pay dividends in the rifles value either.

Watch FleaBay for the tang sights,,they come up often. Sometimes you can snag one for under $100 which is a pretty good price. They usually go for $125/150.
Get the mount screw for it too,,It's an odd size (3/16x36 (?) and there's nothing in the mayo jar full of 'good for somethin' even if I never use them' screws down in the basement that'll fit.

Somebody else makes just the screw itself for these and also the plug screw. They cost $5 alone I think. But if you need one, you need one!

The Redfield and Williams use regular scope mt 6x48 screws to mount them.

You'll end up taking the open rear sight off the bbl most likely or else you will be looking through the notch while looking thru the aperture of the tang sight.
They used to sell a blank base to take it's place on the bbl cover using the same screws. Those can be found on EvilBay too.
In the very least , put the screws back in so the small threaded block inside the bbl cover doesn't become loose and falls inside with the 2 springs.
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Good info; thank you.

I had already noticed that Ebay had a few applicable sights, but I was going to watch for a while and see how prices and quality ran over time. Cheap sights looked pretty rough, and a really nice in the box sight was kind of expensive.
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Redfield and Williams made a rear 'peep' sight for these too.
These both require the rear face of the receiver to be drilled and tapped for installation,,3 screws for the Redfield IIRC.
They don't make use of the factory mounting hole.
That's not exactly the case with the Redfield 102N. The one that was on my rifle was attached with a single screw in the factory hole. There are three holes in the sight base section, but the center hole is where the elevation slide attaches. The top hole is for an optional mounting screw that does require drilling and tapping, but fortunately they didn't make use of it. My sight was very stable and secure with just the one screw, but I removed the sight because it covered too much engraving.

You are correct about the binder screw adjustments being less precise than the micrometer style, but the sight is graduated for both windage and elevation and include an adjustable stop screw for the elevation slide. It's actually a pretty good sight and has a lot less play than the fold down micrometer type.




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That's one of the other peep sites I had thought of.
I had it in my frazzled mind that it took a couple extra D&T's holes to mount that one. Good to know you can get away w/o doing that.
I have seen those Redfields at gunshows for decent prices when compared to the Lyman & Marbles tang sights.
Shouldn't have been passing them by I guess,,

I had one of the simple 100 series on a Springfield '03 sporter at one time and once set, it never gave any problems and was rock solid even after a couple of falls with the rifle. Everyone wants the Lyman 47 though.

The extra anchor hole is optional then on the M8 mounting,,,but I sure wouldn't on that High Grade!

Thanks for the info,,I appreciate it.
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There is a website devoted to the Model 8 and 81:

Vintage Semi-Automatic Sporting Rifles - Home
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Actually it's here:
thegreatmodel8.remingtonsociety.com ? Index page
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Here's mine in .35 Remington. refinished, but nicely done. My grandfather had one that went to my uncle who had it mounted on his wall for years where I fell in love with it as a kid. Never got that one, so I went out and got my own.
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That's not exactly the case with the Redfield 102N. The one that was on my rifle was attached with a single screw in the factory hole. There are three holes in the sight base section, but the center hole is where the elevation slide attaches. The top hole is for an optional mounting screw that does require drilling and tapping, but fortunately they didn't make use of it. My sight was very stable and secure with just the one screw, but I removed the sight because it covered too much engraving.

You are correct about the binder screw adjustments being less precise than the micrometer style, but the sight is graduated for both windage and elevation and include an adjustable stop screw for the elevation slide. It's actually a pretty good sight and has a lot less play than the fold down micrometer type.




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here are a couple of pics of my Mod 8..Built 1936


I just picked up this Model 81 today. I was checking Marble's Rem. tang sights on line and they looked different than mine, but mine isn't marked so I don't know if it's a Marbles. But it sure looks like the sight on your fine Model 8. Can you check mine out in the link below and see if my sight is like yours, and do you know the make of it?
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wyatt it sure looks like mine...Dunno if they are Marbles...I think so though
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an old thread but I had to post this one. I just got it, it is an early 1938 model 81 in 35 rem. and it is nice all the way around and shoots great!
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I have my great grandfather's Model 8 in 30 Rem. Fun to shoot and way over engineered, but a little too muzzle heavy for me.
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Glad I spotted this thread. Some great pics of a real classic. Las one I saw was in 25 Remington. Sure is solid construction
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these guns have a lot of respect, designed by a genius, out of Utah, copied somewhat by a Russian to develop the AK
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Actually, the only thing copied from the 8/81 which was used on the AK is the safety lever. Nothing else is even close.
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I only have this one:

S&WChad - your engraved Model 8 is amazing. I would love to pickup an engraved 81 some day.
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My first deer rifle was Rem #8, 35 cal. When I was a kid Rem
8-81-14-141s and Savage 99s were usually at bargain prices in
the used racks. WW2 vets were into 742, 760 and B/A rifles in
hi- vel cals/ scopes. I only weighed 100 soaking wet back then
the old 8 bounced me around a little, but got the job done. I got
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a couple of weeks ago I killed this SC buck with the one I have in the photo above. I love hunting with these rifles. I have a model 8 in 25,30,32,35 and this model 81 in 35
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Wow! Back when I started this thread I had already owned my Model 81 for a while and prices were just going up. I got mine a couple years earlier when they were literally piled up in gun shops out here for $200-$300. I'm glad to see the respect they are getting now.



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Fifty years ago when my father took me up to the deer camp up in central Calif. near St Helena,
a lot of the hunters owned the 8 and maybe 81 for their go to weapon for the Black tail deer in the bushy country side.
They were plenty for the size of the deer in the are and quick follow up shots were nice to have.

Light recoil and very accurate for the 100 yards shots that were normal in the area that we hunted in.
Many a deer has fallen to this style rifle at this club.
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They were plenty for the size of the deer in the are and quick follow up shots were nice to have.

Light recoil and very accurate for the 100 yards shots that were normal in the area that we hunted in.
Many a deer has fallen to this style rifle at this club.
The Models 8 and 81 are not noted for light recoil, especially in the heavier calibers such as the .35 Remington and the .300 Savage, The long recoil action in those calibers will loosen your tooth fillings. Unfortunately, ammunition and brass is quite difficult to find in the original .25, .30, and .32 Remington calibers. I have made my own .30 Rem cases from .30-30 brass, not particularly difficult if you have a lathe and some time on your hands.
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Wow, a model 8/81 thread. I could not resist. I just picked up a new to me Model 81 in .300 Savage. A good companion to my two Model 8s in .35 Remington.

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"Bought the necessary tools to take it down & reassemble it."

Actually no reason to buy anything to disassemble the 8/81 barrel. A piece of leather and pliers work to unscrew the barrel nut, and without damage. No spanner wrench needed. And most any piece of flat thin metal will work to unscrew the barrel bushing. A small hose clamp will help hold the barrel back during the process.

"I just picked up a new to me Model 81 in .300 Savage."

.300 Savage ammo and brass can be difficult to find today. If you are a reloader, .300 S cases can be made up very simply by FL sizing .308/7.62 brass in a .300 S FL sizing die, then trimming the neck to length. From experience, any .308 or military brass works, but I had some problem with Federal cases so I don't use them.

Some may not know that the .308/7.62 is essentially the .300 Savage case, but with a longer neck and a slightly different shoulder angle. The early post-WWII U. S. Army experiments on rifle development used the .300 Savage, but they decided that its neck was too short to adequately support the bullet for use in full auto weapons - so they lengthened it.
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I always learn something new and interesting on this site which is fun for an old guy and worth (trying to) following the rules. Thank you for posting.
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