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Default The rifle with no respect. The Remington 81 (and model 8)

I love this rifle. It's so business looking and robust. It's a Model 81 in .300 Savage made in 1949. My unscientific accuracy test is blowing up beer cans at 80 yards offhand. I don't think these guns get the respect they deserve but they have skyrocketed in price lately, but what hasn't. I got this for $200 about ten years ago and it's all original except holes for a sling. It's well used but the bore is visually like new. Anyone else have a Model 8 or 81. Let's see them and pay our respects to this great autoloader from days gone by.


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I don't have one, never really looked for one, but they are neat rifles, if I could fine a deal one a nice, original, unmolested example in .35 Remington I'd be real interested.

They are classic woods rifles!
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This Model 8 was a recent find (one of my best). It’s a factory grade 6 (F) from around 1912 in .25 Remington and it came with seven boxes of factory ammo (that I won‘t be shooting up anytime soon). I don't think the engraver ever saw a real buck in his life. Anyone have a spare Lyman #6 leaf sight?







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That's kinda depressing, actually. Did that nice engraving, and then the screw slots aren't lined up.

Is it just me, or does it look like that bear is about to have his way with that buck, to other people too?
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I have a 81 in 300 savage and my sis has dads model 8 in 32 remington.
Dad got the 8 in 1946 and I got the 81 in 1954.
We ate venison back then.
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I have a Mod.8 in .35 Remington. Picked it up a gunshow for $250.00. Dealer says not orginal, someone put a recoil pad on it. The first time I shot it from the bench it put 4 rounds into 3 inches with the factory buckhorn sight. The rifle gets the credit not me. These are great rifles and I am proud to own it.
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The first Police Dept I worked for had 4 of those Rem's in the trunks of our patrol cars.

They traded them, a couple of tommy guns, and a beautiful German MP40? Chief said it was a Schmiesser, for 4 AR15's.

I could have cried.
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My model 8 in 35 Remington.
It works, too!


Be sure to check out this site, too.
There is a forum on there with lots of stuff, too:
http://thegreatmodel8.remingtonsociety.com/
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My model 8 in 35 Remington.
It works, too!


Be sure to check out this site, too.
There is a forum on there with lots of stuff, too:
The Great Model 8 & 81
Great Rem. website! My wife gave me a beautiful Model 8 for Christmas once. I told her about seeing it in a pawn shop. $185. When I went to load it the .30 cartridges flew out. Turned out it was a mixed gun, .30 barrel assembly and the rest was a .35. Broke my heart. Traded it for a Colt Police Positive Special with real pearl grips at the pawn shop. I prefer the 8 but really like the .300 Sav. caliber.
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The Model 8 was real popular with the Texas Rangers at one time. Somewhere around here I have a picture of a Ranger Company and it looks like they all have a Model 8. Hamer had one when he caught up with Bonnie & Clyde.

I had a 81 in .300 Savage once with a Redfield peep mounted on it. I sure wish I had it back.
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I have a Model 81 in 300 Savage that was made in 1948. I love that old rifle.
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My model 8 in 35 Remington kicks plenty. You can have the 300 Savage.

Would like a 25 Remington. That would be a fun gun.

I did once shoot a ~2.5" group at 100 yards with the 35 Remington I have. They will shoot, plenty good. Just takes some practice.
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Have 2 model 8 Remingtons. A 30 and a 32. The 30 shoots as advertised and even eats my reloads w/o any problems. Haven't gotten around to doing any loading for the 32 yet though I did pick up a sealed box of Hornady 32 Special FN bullets this weekend at a show for future ventures in that direction. The 32Rem bore is actually a bit tighter than the .321 diameter of the bullets for the 32Win Special but they work fine with their thin jackets and the low pressures involved.

I can see why LE wanted the detachable mag not only for the high cap,, but for ease of loading. Though there were charger clips available for these rifles, more often than not they are loaded singly into the mag from the top. They are not the fastest nor the easiest rifles to load. Arty-itis don't help!

I think I need a 35Rem next...
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I think I need a 35Rem next...
Sorry, I'm taken....

Seriously, you do need a 35 Remington. Everyone should have one. It's a really under-rated cartridge, for Eastern hunting grounds, at least.

The magazine could have been better. It's tough to load and the design really dates to the Winchester 1895 (both Browning designs). They are works of art to me, though. Whether engraved or not.
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My model 8 in 35 Remington kicks plenty. You can have the 300 Savage.

Would like a 25 Remington. That would be a fun gun.

I did once shoot a ~2.5" group at 100 yards with the 35 Remington I have. They will shoot, plenty good. Just takes some practice.
My 81 in .300 Sav. seems to kick way more than my much lighter Savage 99 .300. Both with steel butt plates. I like shooting the Rem. 81 and hearing and feeling all that clanging around when the barrel flies back and the action goes into..well..action. But maybe it's all that banging around that makes it feel harder kicking. None the less, it's an experience to shoot.
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I've heard two reasons for the increased recoil. One is the weight of the barrel cycling back. The other, which is what I think has more to do with it is the shape of the stock. I've never shot an 8, but my 81 has such a thick, high stock that really digs in to my cheekbone. It is fun to shoot, and I too like hearing all the "moving parts."
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Last time out with the Model 8 in 30cal.
This was 5 rounds at 50yrds, elbow rested off a bench. My reloads, 150gr RNSP (30-30 bullets) and a min load of IMR4895 (can't recall the exact load here but it's around 31 or 32gr.)
Functions the action perfectly. Ejects the emptys up and over my left shoulder and they land just behind me maybe 2 or 3 ft back (rt handed shooter).

The Winchester ammo in the pic was obtained w/the rifle,,actually 3 boxes of it. I shot up this box and have been using the brass for reloading.
The rifle is a late vintage Model 8,,1930's somewhere,,can't recall the exact year but the screw attachment for the safety lever is a giveaway for a late rifle.

The factory rounds shot about 3" high at 50Yrds IIRC. These reloads are a nice easy load both on the rifle and me.
Now that I'm down to less than 10 of the 150gr bullets I'll probably try something else. Maybe some cast bullets. I have some 110gr spire point jacketed also that may get a trial too.
Fun rifle to shoot. I have to get back on the stock a bit to focus on the sites OK but it's still comfortable. A problem alot of older shooters have I guess. A nice Lyman peep site would solve that in a hurry.

Have to get the 32 going too but the cold and snow doesn't make for much fun loading the rifle & searching for brass.
It needs a new stock anyway as someone clipped a fraction of an inch off the butt for some reason. A replacement and alteration to early style swept pistol grip will be a good winter project.
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I've got an 81 chambered in 30 Remington. And thanks to the link posted, I now know it was manufactured in 1946.

It's seen some hard use in it's time, but has easy duty now guarding the closet in my office.
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Hey s&wchad,

I have just seen the posting and pictures of your rifle. I know the posting was made last December so this reply is certainly not timely. I was wondering if you are you a collector of the Remington model 8 & 81's? I would like to talk with you about the Remington Model 8 Grade F. You can email me at jack1653@att.net.

Thank you for letting me ask.

Regards,

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That engraved gun is awsome...
Frank Hamer had 20 round mags for his gun.

A buddy of mine had one in 35 Rem. It was a hoot to shoot.
Look at the safety and then look at the safety of an AK 47...

Those Remingtons are classy guns. You just feel good when you take one of them hunting...
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Great looking guns! I just got a 1946 Remington 141 pump in 35 Rem. Seems to be a "companion" to the model 81--both went out of production in 1950. Interesting that the 8/81 was a Browning design and the 14/141 was a Pedersen design. Am still cleaning mine up and looking forward to shooting. it.
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I only have one. A model 8 in .30 Rem. It is very pleasant to shoot and accurate.
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Never had a Model 8 or 81 but hunted in idaho back inthe '50's with Earl Harris, he shot a 81 .300 Savage caliber. He was deadly on deer & elk in the timber. Saw him once put 3 deer in a pile not much bigger than my living room with 3 shots. We skidded 'em down the mountain to the horses without much trouble in the snow. Earl was a big man, 6ft. 4 & 218 lbs. Strong as an ox. He put half of my elk on his horse without any help. I couldn't even pick up a hind leg. Yeah, the 81 Remington was a fine rifle.
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I have a Model 81 in 300 Savage that I bought about 5 years ago. Mine was made in 1948. I think the 8/81 rifles are interesting and make good hunting rifles.
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When the P.D. I retired from sold all their 81s in 30R caliber around 1973 to Interarms I picked out a FBI issue(1942),tagged it and picked it up at Interarms. No rear sight on the barrel and had a receiver sight installed. The lettering had to be changed on the receiver so it was not covered by the sight....Also for some reason they used a lighter load in .30R....
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I have several 8's and 81's and have found them to be an interesting rifle to collect. If I can figure out how to move pictures from one post to another I'll post a picture of a couple of my Police Rifles.
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Very "solid" looking guns, would be welcome in anyone's gun safe/rack or wish list (like mine )
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I need to get some pics of my Model 8 in .32 Fun to shoot, it is a family hand me down....
Finding ammo ain't easy, but I have a little hoard of it I keep for special occasions..
It's a fine rifle
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This Model 8 was a recent find (one of my best). It’s a factory grade 6 (F) from around 1912 in .25 Remington and it came with seven boxes of factory ammo (that I won‘t be shooting up anytime soon). I don't think the engraver ever saw a real buck in his life. Anyone have a spare Lyman #6 leaf sight?
Actually isn't that serial in the 22K, that's 1911 I believe.
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Actually isn't that serial in the 22K, that's 1911 I believe.
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Remington records are not available and 1912 is just a guess. The barrel jacket is marked "THE REMINGTON ARMS UNION METALLIC CARTRIDGE COMPANY INC.", which didn't start until 1912 (according to Henwood). I know from lettering Winchesters that high grade guns often shipped latter than the serial number would indicate.
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The 8's and 81's are neat guns to collect. As was said earlier some of our more senior forum members who were LE carried and used them in the "popular and new" term as patrol rifles. It's interesting to hear the new younger police talk about the advantages of rifles/carbines in the cars as if it is something brand spankin' new. When I spent my youth in the squad car, 8's and Winchester 351's were common. Soon to be replaced by the more modern M1 and M2 Carbines{late 60's}. None the less those old Remingtons and Winchesters are a lot of fun to collect and even more fun to shoot on special occassions when you are shooting with people that appreciate them.
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This Model 8 was a recent find (one of my best). It’s a factory grade 6 (F) from around 1912 in .25 Remington and it came with seven boxes of factory ammo (that I won‘t be shooting up anytime soon). I don't think the engraver ever saw a real buck in his life. Anyone have a spare Lyman #6 leaf sight?







s&wchad, In my humble opinion (FWIW) that engraving style looks to be European, possibly Eastern Bloc. I was taught by a master engraver from Austria who insisted on linear scribing to the background versus stippling favored by many "Western" engravers. This engraving was done by hand, using a chasing hammer and chisel as evidenced by the uneven cuts in the base metal. The deer in Europe are smaller and sometimes fatter than those we see here in the US, & I believe that is why this engraving looks so different. Also, to me the stock exhibits a European flair in the shape and checkering pattern.

All in all, it is a beautiful piece that I would be proud to have in my safe. Lucky you! John
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I killed my first deer when I was 10 with a 30 Rem Mdl 81 with a side mounted 2.5 power scope.The gun belonged to my uncle.
I am 74 now & never owned one until about two years ago, I got nostalgic and starting wanting one. Now I have several; 25 Rem, 30 Rem, 32 Rem, 35 Rem & 300 Sav.
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Beautiful graded Model 8 there S&WChad..

Looks like a standard factory layout & cutting to me. The checkering pattern as well.
Remington did some beautiful work on their pump & auto shotguns and rifles in the first half of the 20th century.
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That's kinda depressing, actually. Did that nice engraving, and then the screw slots aren't lined up.

Is it just me, or does it look like that bear is about to have his way with that buck, to other people too?
That's all you have to say!? The guy shows us some nice pictures of a REALLY nice rifle, and these are your only observations!?
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Beautiful graded Model 8 there S&WChad..
Looks like a standard factory layout & cutting to me. The checkering pattern as well.
Remington did some beautiful work on their pump & auto shotguns and rifles in the first half of the 20th century.
Thank you. I’m sure it is factory work, the top and bottom tang are marked "6" (grade) and the gun is virtually identical to #22130 which is shown in Henwood's book (only 13 off mine).


The comments Diamondtreo made about the styling are true, most of the early gunmakers and engravers immigrated from Europe. I still maintain the engraver never saw a buck, antler tines generally don't come off the bottom of the main beam.

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That's kinda depressing, actually. Did that nice engraving, and then the screw slots aren't lined up.
Is it just me, or does it look like that bear is about to have his way with that buck, to other people too?
I’ve looked at quite a few photos of engraved Model 8’s and none of them have timed receiver screws. I can’t believe they did it like that either.
As to the deer/bear encounter… well, it’s not very lifelike!
 
 
 
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No doubt that Chad's is an original Remington Grade 6.

For the new guys, check out The Remington Society and The Great Model 8 and 81 forum. There have been several updates since the original post.
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i know this is very late to post but i wanted to show off my model 8 in 32 rem. this is a small buck i shot this year. i read in a old loading book that this was a sorry round. i have killed 3 deer with it and all fell stone dead with one shot, yea what a sorry round. i love my 8 and 81s
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Not sure that the 32 is a sorry round. It's the ballistic twin to the 32 Special that Winchester made, which is a necked up 30-30. Good rounds, all.

But it's no 35 Remington...
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you are correct mr. 35rem i also shoot a 32 special. but i assure you the deer can't tell the differents from 35 to 32 when hit in the right spot.
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i have killed 20 or so with my 444 marlin which is much more gun than a 35 or 32 rem. they died no deader or quicker, dead is dead my friend....................

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A cousin called me one day and said his deceased father's lifelong hunting partner gave my cousin his gun as a keepsake. When the hunting partner passed away, my cousin offered it to me, since my cousin is not a shooter. It's a 1949 Model 81 .300 Savage Standard model. The scope on it is a 4x Texan made by Norman-Ford & Co., which is ironic since these guys were Texans and hunted in Texas. I understand it took many local deer over the years. The one flaw that concerns me is the cracking of the rear stock behind the trigger(see 4th picture). Otherwise, it shoots great. To share with everybody, I located some very impressive ammo for it. I found it at Natchez Ammunition and it's made by Double Tap. It's a 125 grain Nosler Partioned Boat Tail with ballistics of 3050 fps and 2582 ft. lbs at the muzzle. If you Google this ammo, you'll see trajectories and ballistics at various yardage. I haven't tried it yet, but anxious to do so.
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The 81 in .300 Savage is a kicking beast. I'd recommend that you find a good stock man and have it pinned and glued before shooting it too much. Ford scopes were quality products in the day and the Stith mount is a classic. Very cool package!
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Nice 81. Almost bought one in 300Sav not too long ago.

The stock looks like it has been repaired in that area w/a slice. A piece added and matched well with the grain but you can see the verticle joint.
The top edge of the stock doesn't mate well with the receiver. The bottom edge is taking all the recoil with every shot.
It may have some bigger repair inside and needs a bit of re-inletting to reseat the rece'vr to the wood for a good fit. Fixing the crack at the same time will complete the job. Otherwise the crack will just return as the stock gets beaten hard on the lower edges again.

I like the Stith mounts on an 8 or 81. I'm not a fan of 'scopes in particular but if one shows up on one of these,,those old mounts seem to fit in for some reason.
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Nice 81. Almost bought one in 300Sav not too long ago.

The stock looks like it has been repaired in that area w/a slice. A piece added and matched well with the grain but you can see the verticle joint.
The top edge of the stock doesn't mate well with the receiver. The bottom edge is taking all the recoil with every shot.
It may have some bigger repair inside and needs a bit of re-inletting to reseat the rece'vr to the wood for a good fit. Fixing the crack at the same time will complete the job. Otherwise the crack will just return as the stock gets beaten hard on the lower edges again.

I like the Stith mounts on an 8 or 81. I'm not a fan of 'scopes in particular but if one shows up on one of these,,those old mounts seem to fit in for some reason.
You didn't say but you must be referring to sirguinnesses model 81. Even I just noticed that gap in the upper part of the stock, but didn't associate it with your great observation. Like when the dentist leaves a high spot on a tooth and that one tooth gets all the pressure. My 81 in .300 Savage is from 1949, too (pretty sure anyway) and that heavy a-- buttstock might have been made like a tree trunk on purpose. I prefer to get beat up by a steel butt plate on mine than have rubber on it, though. I love that scope setup on that rifle, though I'm left handed.
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Thanks for all the quick responses. It sounds like I should track down a good smith to fix the stock. I had been thinking about refinishing with a walnut Tru-oil kit and was already picturing myself blending in on the top. Considering the gap up there, a professional repair would be the best plan. I intend to shoot it and would like to try the Double Tap ammo I described. This may or may not produce more recoil and this stock doesn't need any more abuse until it's fixed.

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Yes, sorry I was refering to sirguinnesses model 81.

You can pull the butt stock off yourself to take a peek in there and see whats up.
Can't do any harm and nothing will go flying accross the room!

On the bottom receiver tang, there are two screws.
Remove the rear screw,,the one right at the very end of the tang closest to the wood.
That holds the stock to the receiver.
(Don't take the other screw out, that holds the trigger spring and the hammer spring in place inside)

Once the rear screw is out,,pull the stock itself backwards off of the rec'vr.
There's a long recoil return spring housing just under the comb notch of the stock that will come out with the recv'r,,so pull the stock & recv'r straight apart from each other.

Check the inletting for repairs, cracks. There might even be something in there keeping the two from going back together properly.

I've seen things like cardboard shims, papermatches, toothpicks and all sorts of things used as 'adjusters' to the inletting thinking it would help things out.
Even extra glue from the repair may have oozed out, hardened and is blocking full seating of the receiver to the wood.

Keep it in the family! Great rifle..

..A 300Savcal M81 would be a nice match up w/my 99Savage.
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Thanks, I'll do that before turning it over to someone else.

If I do go with a professional repair, does anybody have any recommendations? We have a Cabela's nearby and they should have resources that are reliable.
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