A sad story with a happy ending....

A while back my Mother in law had a Taurus K frame knockoff that she used for protection before she was married. She probably shot it once. I've seen it before, but didn't pay much attention because it was a Taurus and she kept is locked up. With crime in the area on the rise they decided to take the Taurus to the range. Low and behold the Taurus was in no condition to shoot and the cylinder was jammed in the frame and wouldn't open. It was like it was welded in there and I decided to take it apart. When I opened the side plate I wasn't prepared for what I saw. The inner workings looked like junky pot metal and it was all gummed up. This from a gun that was mostly stored it's whole life.

I told her it was a total loss and took them to the Smith and Wesson table at the next gun show to buy matching Airweights.. Problem solved and I now I've turned a worthless firearm into a nice paperweight.

Send it back to Taurus, there can't be to much wrong
with it. They have a life time warranty and I hear a good
customer relations. They are good guns I just don't have
any. Don

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5150 that is the normal way they look on the inside, need to change thier name to Tarass.

I've been told about the lifetime warranty. It's not worth it to me. I grabbed a screw driver and scrambled the innards really nice. I then screwed the cover back on so it's like a baby's rattle now.

have you thought about putting it up for sale here. someone may want to resort and bring it back to life

The guns are decent blue collar guns, the customer service is beyond being a joke. Steer clear of Taurus. They will not fix your gun. I have and use one Taurus, a 605. When my SP-101 is up and running the 605 will be a second-stringer. It's a good gun, but I've lost any hope and respect for Taurus customer service.

No sense in jamming on Taurus. I have one I really like sub compact 45 now on the other hand for what I just spent on a S&W M&P 360 I could of bought 3 605 Taurus. You do the math while wondering why Taurus sells.

Should you decide to send it back to Taurus........all I have to say is "GOOD LUCK".

I know a lot of people who love their taurus judge. That is one sweet looking home protection handgun!!

ref: taurus firearms-- like we used to say in the racing business, if you have a $20 head,buy a $20 helmet. same goes for firearms or anything else you use for personal protection.

I don't generally do this but I got to make an exception here. hawkeye you had me rolling with your post. appreciate the humor after a so so day at work.

It is marketing genius...
As a gun... not so genius...


Jim

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My father gave me a Taurus Judge for Christmas a couple of years ago. It will shoot .410 shells as long as they are not Fiocchi. The first shot goes bang, then the cylinder jams up tight as a drum. That is now why I am a firm believer in practicing with the exact ammo that you will be carrying (for any gun). Winchester, Federal, and Remington all shoot fine. The Fiocchi plastic hull feels thinner than the others and I believe swells up in the chamber after firing. Instead of the rubber ribber grips on the Judge, it would have been nice to have chocolate grips. They sure would taste better if someone was feeding them to you after your gun didn't go bang but once.

Now to the stellar Taurus service. While shooting one day, the fiber optic front sight fell off never to be seen again. I called Taurus customer service. They said it would cost $21 for another 3/4" long fiber optic insert. I balked at paying $21 for a 10 cent piece of plastic. After ten minutes of arguing, I asked to speak with his boss. I also stated that I bet we wouldn't be having this discussion if the gun had been a S&W. They finally sent the part to me for free after I belly-ached long enough.

Taurus will never get a dime of my money. I have never had to use S&W customer service, but I hope and pray that it is better than Taurus.

Well here goes nothing. I have a Taurus PT-145 and it's an incredibly good gun. It's very accurate and well made. I've shot it thousands of times and it's never even hiccuped much less failed to feed or failed at anything. My friend decided to test my accuracy by setting up 2 empty .45 casings at 20 yards and another at 25. I hit the first two in a row at 20 yards but couldn't manage the third out of the 11 rounds the gun holds. But anytime you can hit shell casings at 20 yards with a 2.5" barrel auto you have an accurate gun.

Taurus is very up and down in quality. That's why they have a bad reputation. One gun model will be excellent and the next model junk. They do have a lifetime warranty but they are iffy on living up to it. Yes they sell their guns at a low price but that doesn't always mean cheap. I have a Sig .45 auto that has given me far more trouble than my Taurus and that's a Made In W. Germany model Sig at that. They are supposed to be much better than the new models. At any rate the Taurus I paid $325 for brand new has replaced the Sig as my carry weapon.

I have no illusions that any Taurus is up to the quality of a S&W even though I have seen some models of S&W weapons that are not top flight. They aren't as bad as the bad stuff from Taurus but they aren't perfect either. My Taurus is as close to perfect as any gun gets. I don't expect it to last as long as my S&W 629 but what does? BTW we all know those have problems too. They can be fixed though but I wouldn't want to discover the cylinder had kicked back if I found myself trying to defend my life. Mine has never done that but I've seen plenty of reports of others doing it.

I've been flamed endlessly for standing up for Taurus. I just ask you to go to the Taurus board and see how many people find their Taurus guns excellent. I did before I bought mine. I knew my dealer and I knew the chance I was taking but I knew I could get help with any serious problems from my dealer. I am extremely glad I took that chance though. This gun is a perfect concealed carry weapon and I will probably have it until I kick over. And yes I expect the gun to last that long.

I love my snub nose Taurus.....

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My Taurus md 85 I have had new since 1988 and not any trouble. so never had to deal with CS. but SW CS is great, no questions asked.had a minor problem with my Sigma SW40VE recoil rod and they sent me a new one asap. One thing I will say, with a SW you will have a greater resale price and demand too.

I own six Taurus pistols. Five of them have performed perfectly right out of the box. The sixth one was a Titanium .357 4" revolver. It had timing issues that in turn damaged the barrel. I returned it to Taurus and they replaced it with a new gun. It took them six months to make that happen, but the did live up to their warranty.

I find that the Taurus pistols are good shooters, and quite accurate. I own a PT1911, a .38 snubbie, two .357 revolvers, and a .44mag. The triggers on the 44mag and the Model 608 .357 are exceptional. Very smooth and very clean. Are they better than my 27-2? No. But then not much is. I don't think it's fair to compare guns made 35, 40, or 50 years ago to guns made today. The older guns for the most part were better. If you compare a new Taurus M44 to a new S&W 629 they are pretty much equal in terms of performance, fit and finish, and accuracy.

I'm not trying to convert anyone here, just telling my experience with both. I also own half a dozen S&W's and I like them equally as well as my other guns. My new (to me) 27-2 is one of my favorites. Fact is I own many pistols from many different makers. They all have their pros and cons. That's what makes owning the an enjoyable experience.

my experience with Taurus has been hit or miss. I'll spend the extra money and get something else.

We've all had different experiences with different guns. I love my S&W 22A and won't hesitate to tell anyone, and I've been beat up unmercifully on other boards with people telling me what a piece of junk it is.

That seems to be the consensus. I wouldn't have bought one unless I had a good dealer I knew would back me up on any quality issues. Turned out I didn't need it or at least I haven't yet.

Taurus has turned out some junk but I think in the last few years they have tried to change that. I know there are a lot of satisfied customers on the Taurus shooters board. Considering people with problems always post more than happy customers I'd say that means something.

Yep, me too. I have had nary a misfire of fart from my 22a, put a Millet red dot on top of the barrel and have had a ball! Just ordered a 4" barrel from S&W and look forward to running open sight drills on my swinging targets. Best training tool for the money!

jb

I had a Taurus PT-22. Slide cracked under the front sight, they fixed it no charge. I sold it because no matter what magazine I tried it absolutely would not feed the next to last cartridge. To be fair, I have never owned a reliable .22lr pocket auto from any manufacturer. Joe

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This Taurus was an older one, so it would be a bit unfair to compare it to a new one even though it had maybe 1 box of ammo through it.

Since I have limited space in my gun safe, I have upgraded my guns as much as possible to the best I can afford.

I kept waiting for the punchline after this, but must have missed it...

Really? I suppose it's yours to destroy if you wish, but that could have been repaired and sold to someone who may not have been able to afford the very best as a self defense weapon.

Speaking from experience, I have owned four different Taurus revolvers. No longer have them. All had issues with timing and/or cylinder lockup. I gave them an honest try. never again.

When I trust my life to a gun I don't look for cheap guns. I won't put a price on my life.

I never felt comfortable carrying a Taurus product.

Bought a used Taurus 44 mag. It needed an action job. Took the sideplate off; there on the side of the hammer (covered by frame) was a large void in the metal. Almost halfway deep through hammer. Put the sideplate back on & sold it. That was the mid-90's. I understand quality has improved. But I still consider them second rate now.

I'm sure Hyundai & Kia make quality cars; but, I won't buy either of those too.

Again I suggest that people check out the Taurus forum in regards to the Mil. Pro series of handguns. The newer magazines have had some problems but most of these guns have spotless records. I wouldn't trust my life to a cheap gun either unless I had thoroughly checked out that gun myself. I had another concealed carry handgun available to me the entire time I was checking out my Taurus. It passed my tests with flying colors. Those tests included firing at least 1000 rounds and looking for any malfunctions or abnormal wear. I never had either. I could have paid twice what I paid. In fact I expected to pay twice as much when I went to gun shops looking for a smaller concealed carry gun for summer carrying. What I found was the best gun period. Not just the best gun for the money. I know Taurus has a reputation for sometimes cutting corners big time but I made sure that wasn't the case with my PT-145. Now I couldn't possibly be happier with any gun at any price. It's extremely accurate, completely reliable, has a grip that is second to none, and has a higher capacity than any gun it's size and caliber. I don't know how any gun could surpass what I have. Remember I have a much more respected name brand gun that also cost nearly 3 times as much new. I never carry that gun now even in the winter. The Taurus is a better gun. In fact I've never seen a gun built better for the purpose of concealed carry and that includes all models and brands. The fact that it was a fantastic deal was just icing on the cake. I'll put my PT-145 up against any concealed handgun from any manufacturer. It's that good.

I have a S&W. I have a Sig. I've had all sorts of quality handguns over the years. My Taurus is the best of the bunch hands down. It really isn't even close. The Sig is a great gun but it's had problems admittedly after a lot of rounds went through the gun. But even at first I had issues with it and it's supposed to be one of the most reliable Sigs ever built. It's the "Made In W. Germany" model P-220. If you know Sigs you'll know that's a highly sought after gun. It's a great gun in many ways but for concealed carry the Taurus has it beat. It's just as accurate, it's just as reliable if not moreso, it's lighter and that's true even though the Taurus holds 3 more rounds at a time. The Taurus has a better trigger and it has a thumb safety. I choose to carry the Taurus everyday. That should say something.

I understand some people have had bad experiences with Taurus. I've seen photos of them that were proof that Taurus released some trash guns. But that is not true of the PT-145. It isn't even close to being true. I also had a Tokarev that I carried for years. Lots of people see that as a great concealed carry gun. It shoots a hot round and is reliable as all get out. I've shots 1911's but they aren't great concealed carry guns because they are too heavy and don't carry enough rounds in .45 ACP (my favorite choice for SD). I certainly can't carry my 629 in a IWB holster. I do it all the time with the Taurus. I know there are excellent S&W concealed carry weapons. But they all have their problems not the least of which is the chance your cylinder will slip back a notch or just get out of time. People say wheel guns are the best. I don't think so. Automatics (semi-autos for the word purists) are a better choice and the best I can tell the Taurus is the best. Don't even get me started on the problems with Glocks. I'll take my Taurus over all of them any day. It has the perfect set of features and it works everytime I pull the bang switch. What more can you ask for?

i had a Taurus 85 before it was not a bad gun but not a smith and wesson or ruger

I once tried a Taurus 85 and the cylinder started to bind before I shot the fifth round in the cylinder. The gun started out clean and it appeared the cylinder gap was way too tight. Or the gun was just too loose. Or both.

As for Glock, my 21 is the only semiauto that I would ever choose to carry. It's so good that I actually bought a second one. If you keep a Glock in factory configuration and shoot factory jacketed ammo, you will rarely have any kind of problem. You encounter problems when you start swapping out parts and shooting questionable handloads, and I know I have been guilty of all of the above. But that Taurus would choke immediately even with factory loads.

Dave Sinko

Actually Glock has had some infamous problems with some of their guns too. Nobody makes perfect guns all the time. I actually intended to buy a Glock when I bought my Taurus though. But I never found any Glock that came close to matching the features of the Taurus even at twice the price. I had the money to buy a Glock. I just chose to buy a Taurus instead and I've never regretted that decision for a second.

Neither proud nor ashamed I have a Taurus 605SSCH that I bought for a nightstand pistol back around 1980 when I was still in college with a wife, baby, and mortgage. It shoots maybe a box of full-house 357s each year for a checkup. It has never so much as hiccuped. Granted, it isn't a Smith but I would bet my life on it if I had to. I would however trade it for a model 60 in a heartbeat.

You can get a bad gun from ANY brand. I had a Colt 1911 that I could never get to feed. I had a PC Smith that I had to take to a gunsmith to get it to fire a full cylinder. I have a Dan Wesson 1911 that has to have Meggar mags to feed correctly. I had a P345 Ruger that shot so far to the left I gave up on it. My dad had a Iver Johnson Sidewinder that was so far out of time it was dangerous. My shooting buddy handed me a Gold Cup that launched its front sight on the third shot. He has a High Standard Citation that won't feed. You get my point.

My CCW is a Taurus PT-145 and has been for 6 years. It holds 10 rounds of 45 ACP and I practise with it weekly. I also have a PT 1911 that is every bit the gun that my Kimber, Colt, and Dan Wesson is. Another range buddy has a Taurus stainless steel 357 revolver that is very close in size and function to my 19-3. Actually it has a forcing cone that is a bit beefier than that on the 19. It will probably last longer than my 19.

Taurus is producing some very fine firearms. They certainly are not on par with with pre-lock Smiths or Colt revolvers but in a day when you have to put out $450 for a used 28 or $1200 for a used Python...........Well I will leave the pretty ones in my safe and take my "Junk" Taurus guns to the range and try to wear them out.