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Old 01-02-2010, 07:43 PM
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Default Navy Arms .36 cap and ball, circa 1973

Anyone ever seen one of these?
I recently purchased a like-new Navy Arms reproduction of the Remington cap and ball revolver in .36 caliber. It has target adjustable sights.
I purchased this revolver from a man on the east coast. I've seen plenty of .44-caliber target Remingtons, but never a .36 -- although I now find that Pietta is offering a .36 target Remington, according to its website.
I'd like to know who made this revolver. Navy Arms imported it, but I find no manufacturer's marks. All I find are proofmarks. This revolver is like-new, with a spotless bore and chambers.
Here are the specifics:

On the barrel:
(top) NAVY ARMS CO. RIDGEFIELD N.J. MADE IN ITALY
(left side) MODEL 1858 NEW BELT CAL .36
(right side) BLACK POWDER ONLY - MADE IN ITALY
The barrel also includes the typical Gardone proof house marks but no stamp to indicate manufacturer.

On the frame:
Gardone proof house marks and XX9. The XX9 is proof house code indicating that this pistol was made in 1973.

Serial number 356XX
There are also assembly numbers of 1362 on the underside of the barrel, cylinder, loading lever and grip frame under the grips. This would indicate that all parts match.

Barrel length: 6-1/2 inches (165mm)
Overall length: 13 inches (310 mm)

Rear sight: Fully adjustable Patridge target sight.
Front sight: Blued post, mounted on a ramp. Both the ramp and the face of the front sight have horizontal lines to reduce glare.

Does anyone know who was making Remington reproductions for Navy Arms in 1973? This is a very well-made revolver, though the bluing is not highly polished like a premium grade modern revolver.

I began shooting cap and ball revolvers about 1970. At that time, few had highly polished bluing. Gaps between metal and wood, and light machine marks were common. This revolver was not the norm in 1973 and was very finely made for its era.

There's a foot of snow here in the remote Utah desert. The days are overcast, cloudy and cold. Looks like it will be that way for a while, so I haven't had a chance to get out and fire this revolver.
It should be a fine shooter.
I'm a fan of the .36 caliber and have a number of fixed-sight revolvers in this caliber. This is the first adjustable-sight, target type cap and ball I've seen in .36 caliber.

Any comments or information?
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Have you tried these folks....?

Army/Navy Revolvers - Taylor's & Co., Inc.
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The Remington Navy model is 36 caliber. Sweet shooting cap and ball pistol as well. I used to shoot a pair of 2nd gen Colt Navies in SASS matchs. I always wanted a Rem Navy, but they are not as popular for some reason.

Uberti made all the replicas back then. Navy Arms may have done the final finish and assembly, dont remember if they bought them finished or raw.

Great find, enjoy and...HOW 'BOUT SOME PICS!!!!!!!!!
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The original replica percussion revolvers, dating back to the mid-late 1950s were manufactured by Aldo Uberti under contract by Val Forgett, the founder of Navy Arms Co.

Forgett furnished original Colt 1851 Navy revolvers to Uberti as patterns. The 1851 was the first Colt replica produced by Uberti and sold under the Navy Arms name.

Look under the rammer on the barrel, under the grips, etc. You will probably find the letters AU or the name Uberti somewhere. Navy Arms percussion revolvers were/are, virtually exclusively, Uberti products. The same goes for the Colt SAA and Remington cartridge revolvers which they vend. The guns were marked Navy Arms, but every box I have ever seen that they originally came in up to current was a Uberti box.
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This revolver did not come with a box or papers.
I have scrutinized all parts of this revolver and found nothing other than proofmarks and the Navy Arms stamps I listed.
Interesting.
Good to know that it's likely made by Uberti. This will help if I need to buy replacement nipples or parts down the road.
Not sure how to post photos here.

I already had a Pietta-made Remington .36, which is a fine shooter. If I had to do it all over again, I'd have purchased an Uberti for the slightly deeper rifling. But the quality of this Pietta Remington .36 is very good.
My Remington .44 is Uberti-made and is better polished but not by much.
The Uberti Remington .44 is a very good shooter. At 25 yards it will put six balls into a 2-inch circle.
The Pietta Remington .36 will put six balls into 3 inches at 25 yards, on a good day. I still need more load development with it.

Soon as this cold abates, and the weather warms, I'll be out with the target-sighted Remington .36, against real targets at a measured 25 yards from a benchrest.
I'll use Goex FFFG, .380 inch balls and Lee conical bullets of 130 and 135 grs.
The 130 gr. Lee conical has a heel of .375 inch. The 135 gr. Lee has a heel of .380 inch (this .380 heel mould is no longer offered but I picked up a like-new one a few years ago).

Thanks for the information. Uberti, huh? Good to know.
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The N-SSA has been shooting these guns in competition since 1950 and the members can wring as much accuracy as is possible from these muzzle stuffers.

Val Forgett was a N-SSA member. Navy Arms introduced the first cap n'ball replicas, as well as the first replica CW muzzleloading rifle, the Zouave.
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i have one of these mine still has the rag stamped on the but and the made in italy under the loading lever .now thanks to you i now no what the xx9 stands for .on my own rigarmi .36 cal. 58 remington
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