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Old Technology, Contemporary Results
Took these three out for a spin yesterday.
After a quick 25 yd verify, did some 7, 10 and 15 yard drills.
Even some shoot on the move work.
Old Bergmann handled surprising well, although reloads were out because I only have one magazine.
The 9mm Largo had about the same recoil impulse as a 9x19,
and recovered to sights off recoil nicely,
and shot pairs well.
The 100+ year old design was accurate and functioned well.
(Remember 9mm Largo is a 9x23 case but IS NOT compatible with modern 9x23)
Good old Hi-power performed as expected.
Still a great defensive pistol and those big sights are great given the age of my optical sensors.
Shot many of the drills that we used in my former position.
Pistol of the day goes to the SIG P-210.
Smoothest functioning and most accurate although sights are small and heel mag release hurts reload times.
But Hey!, SIG P-210 right?
Shot a very nice standing unsupported 25 yard series of 12 rounds with the same previously mentioned optical sensors.
Pretty cool that 70 to 100+ year old technology can still be relevant in the 21st Century. 
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05-19-2021, 05:52 AM
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I've always wanted a Bergmann Bayard for the collection but would be afraid to shoot it. Availability of parts you know.
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05-19-2021, 08:06 AM
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Took these three out for a spin yesterday.
After a quick 25 yd verify, did some 7, 10 and 15 yard drills.
Even some shoot on the move work.
Old Bergmann handled surprising well, although reloads were out because I only have one magazine.
The 9mm Largo had about the same recoil impulse as a 9x19,
and recovered to sights off recoil nicely,
and shot pairs well.
The 100+ year old design was accurate and functioned well.
(Remember 9mm Largo is a 9x23 case but IS NOT compatible with modern 9x23)
Good old Hi-power performed as expected.
Still a great defensive pistol and those big sights are great given the age of my optical sensors.
Shot many of the drills that we used in my former position.
Pistol of the day goes to the SIG P-210.
Smoothest functioning and most accurate although sights are small and heel mag release hurts reload times.
But Hey!, SIG P-210 right?
Shot a very nice standing unsupported 25 yard series of 12 rounds with the same previously mentioned optical sensors.
Pretty cool that 70 to 100+ year old technology can still be relevant in the 21st Century. |
Congrats on shooting the older guns. They need exercise too!
I have a Colt Model 1909 U.S.Army and a Colt Model 1903 Hammer that I shoot and enjoy it very much. Just keep the loads light out of respect for their age.
AJ
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05-19-2021, 08:43 AM
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Yep - kind of like revolvers... 
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05-19-2021, 11:10 AM
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Of course the Hi-Power is still in continuous production and the P210 is back in slightly modernized form, now with a button mag-release.
They stand the test of time.
Saying the P210 was accurate is like saying rain is wet. :-)
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05-19-2021, 04:12 PM
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9mm Largo and 9mm Styer are both loadings in a 9 x 21 case. 9mm Mauser and 9 mm Browning Long (very rare!) are 9 x 23. In a pinch you can make a case from 223 brass, but the thick walls reduce the capacity.
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05-19-2021, 09:24 PM
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I shoot my Colt 1900 38 Rimless every year on its shipping birthday. It does just fine at 25 yards hitting a man sized target in the heart lung area is no big feat. I haven't done the reload drills as you have so I can't comment on that, but I am certain it would be faster than a revolver of the day unless a guy named Jerry was behind the trigger of said revolver then all bets are off lol....
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9mm Largo and 9mm Styer are both loadings in a 9 x 21 case. 9mm Mauser and 9 mm Browning Long (very rare!) are 9 x 23. In a pinch you can make a case from 223 brass, but the thick walls reduce the capacity.
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Can't speak to the other cartridges you note but the 9mm Largo is indeed a 9x23 case (23.11mm case length)
In the 90's Winchester began a 9x23 round which has near the same exterior dimension but a thicker case wall.
It is a higher pressure cartridge and not suitable for Largo which has performance similar to parabellum.
That was the reason for my notation about modern 9x23.
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I shoot my Colt 1900 38 Rimless every year on its shipping birthday. It does just fine at 25 yards hitting a man sized target in the heart lung area is no big feat. I haven't done the reload drills as you have so I can't comment on that, but I am certain it would be faster than a revolver of the day unless a guy named Jerry was behind the trigger of said revolver then all bets are off lol....
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I have a Colt 1903 Hammer in .38 ACP. I shoot it a couple of times a year. I keep the loads just enough to cycle the slide as I reload for it. Have been known to carry it in a leather case.
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I wish that I had a Bergman. What a neat pistol. The oldest semiauto that I have is a P08 Luger in 30 Luger caliber.
I do have a High Power and a SIG 210. MY HP will generally outshoot my 210 using cast bullets. Odd given the 210's reputation, but I guess I ended up with a very good P35 HP.
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I have a Colt 1903 Hammer in .38 ACP. I shoot it a couple of times a year. I keep the loads just enough to cycle the slide as I reload for it. Have been known to carry it in a leather case.
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That is precisely what I did started so light they wouldn't cycle the action worked my way up until the rounds would reliably function went a half grain more works great.
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