New Remington 1911

[Ky Bob]

http://www.1911r1.com/Products/Firea...el-1911r1.aspx

[GatorFarmer]

Got a Remington auto email about that myself and was wondering if it was news to other people too. MSRP is only 699 and it *looks"* sort of nice. Anybody know if it has a Kimber Schwartz type safety, series 80 type safety or what not?

Maybe it is just me, but that front sight looks like it would fall off.

[Iggy]

The doofus's put the front sight on backwards...

[gr8AmericanBash]

There was a big write-up about it in last month's Shooting Times.

[kscardsfan]

It's a series 80 from what I have read. I like the sights better than the springfield offerings in the same price range, and I believe they are made in America instead of overseas.

[HAWKEYE10]

Hope it's better than their 22 ammo. Don

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by HAWKEYE10

Hope it's better than their 22 ammo. Don

+1 on that.

[kscardsfan]

Originally Posted by ladder13

+1 on that.

Agreed lol.

[pownal55]

I agree the front sight is on backwards. The price does not reflect a lot of extras or customizing of any kind, still a probably a good entry level 1911 if it's really made in the USA.

[NFrameFred]

I know it's nit-picking, but why bother to put hi-viz sites on one that is decked out for all practical purposes like a 1911 mil-issue version with the small/old style safety and basic stock configuration ? Either go for the repro-look and be done with it or put a decent thumb safety on it, front slide serrations and undercut frame at the trigger guard/grip. (To be fair, it does have the ejection port upgrades, but that's almost mandatory for reliable functioning with most rounds)

There are more after-market products for 1911's than most anything else besides AR-15's and unless someone is looking for a mil-spec repro they generally want the more modern features anyway. Hate to say it, but it looks like Taurus is ahead of many of the others on producing a middle of the road out of the box 1911 with more of the features the average shooter would want.

I'll hang onto my 70 series Colt's and make do - can't imagine Remington's gonna carve out much market space for themselves with this offering . . . . YMMV

[kscardsfan]

Supposedly this is just the begining according to shooting times. I am assuming they will do like everyone else and offer the beavertail, high speed trigger, skeltonized hammer, tacticool sights, etc in the near future since the only tooling changes that will be required will be for the beavertail and the sight dovetails.

[Bat Guano]

Hard to know much looking at a press release, but it looks like a basic working 1911 minus bells and whistles. I'm pretty well set for 1911s so will leave it to others to try out.

The Remington logo looks pretty good on the slide.

[okie john]

It’s an American-made 1911. It looks roughly like a GI pistol, with the basic improvements that 40 years of practical shooting have proven worthwhile. Three-dot sights are way better than GI sights, and upgrading them should be a snap. If we believe Shooting Times, it locks up tight and the trigger wears in after a few thousand rounds. If you need a street-ready 1911, it’s not a bad call.

I think it’s pretty slick. I wonder that the real-world price will end up being?


Okie John

[jag312]

Why does it have a flat 1911 mainspring housing on a 1911A1 frame? Does it have an early wide spur hammer or a later flat sided hammer?

[sheriffoconee]

Looks like a good, fighting, 1911 to me, other than the ambi safety we lefties need. It is set up all you need for carry out of the box....and at a great price...

[MTS Cop]

I want it.

[40cal]

Originally Posted by MTS Cop

I want it.

Me to!! I got one! Just had to have a 1911 with an american name, put together in a factory in New York, at a resonable price.
So far a great basic GI style with a couple of modern upgrades. Good fit & finish, nice trigger, tight lock-up. Went thru a box of JHP with no problems. Great value for the money. A++ .45 pistol.

[Joe Kent]

I had the opportunity to hold and look at one and was impressed with how it was finished. I was going to order one until I found out it was a series 80 system. That killed the deal.

[Rule3]

What I heard from my local dealer was the first ones will/might have parts from other than Remington. After they finish getting all tooled up, the entire gun will be "in house" Just saying what I was told to me.

40cal, You found and bought one already?? Didn't know they were out yet.

[ladder13]

They're out, saw one this past week, $639.

[kscardsfan]

Originally Posted by ladder13

They're out, saw one this past week, $639.

Thats all? You pay that much for a made in Brazil springfield. I'd learn to live with the series 80 trigger to own one made in america.

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by kscardsfan

Thats all? You pay that much for a made in Brazil springfield. I'd learn to live with the series 80 trigger to own one made in america.

It's at Thruway Sports in Wallkill, NY if you want it. Don't have the number, but they're easily googled.

[oldman45]

At the risk of angering some, I have to say that I own several different 1911 pistols. One (the oldest) was made during WWII, the newest was made this year by S&W and is the best shooting gun I own or have ever owned. The others were made between those years and cover five different makers.

Now for my humble opinion. A person cannot tell the difference in safeties or trigger in the guns. A trigger can be tuned. Safeties are internal and a person shooting the gun will not know what is in there. The differences are nothing more than preconceived ideas spurred on by reviews, opinions of others that were passed on and other things that just puts a notion in someone's head.

Many blind type tests have been done on soft drinks, guns and other items to see if people could tell the difference and often the person preferred what they previously said they did not like.

I could take nine 1911 model pistols and blindfold the shooter and they could not tell the difference other than for the feel of the gun due to ambidextrous safety or extended mag release.

As stated, S&W went heads above the rest with their new 1911 but all the others are good guns as well. I will likely buy one of the new Remingtons out of my next lengthy court trial or healthy case week. The safety, trigger or such will not matter. If anything, it matters more that it is made in the US by US labor. It matters that the money stays in the US.

Again, JMHO from more years of shooting (58 yrs) and firearm collecting (50 years) than most people here have lived.

[kscardsfan]

I think shipping it all the way to KS might be a little prohibitive cost wise lol, besides my next 1911 is going to be something of the Kimber flavor (gift to myself for getting my paygrade )

[kscardsfan]

Originally Posted by oldman45

If anything, it matters more that it is made in the US by US labor. It matters that the money stays in the US.

Again, JMHO from more years of shooting (58 yrs) and firearm collecting (50 years) than most people here have lived.

Man, no wonder you call yourself old man I hope I am still actively shooting and collecting when I get down the line some. I am more than a little worried that god will curse me with daughters and I'll end up using one of my guns on some cocky little boy when I'm a middle aged dad with no patience left lol.

[oldman45]

Originally Posted by kscardsfan

Man, no wonder you call yourself old man I hope I am still actively shooting and collecting when I get down the line some. I am more than a little worried that god will curse me with daughters and I'll end up using one of my guns on some cocky little boy when I'm a middle aged dad with no patience left lol.

I had three daughters and no sons. The boy issue began as each was about 15 yrs of age. This is where gun collecting and shooting comes in handy.

As each boy would be introduced to me, I would state the rules of dating. Then I would take him into my gun room so he could marvel at all the guns. Once he had time to get a good look at the rifles and handguns, I would pull out some B27 targets that I had shot (at close range) for visual effect. Then THE question would be asked. " Son, assuming you were to be shot, where would you less like to be hit?" Usually the first date was short and there was no second date. Each daughter was out of school, employed and living on their own before serious dating began.

[chief38]

I think they should have made an EXACT WWll replica with the correct period roll marks. What they came out with is just another run of the mill 1911, instead of the winner it could have been.

[Kanewpadle]

Originally Posted by oldman45

At the risk of angering some, I have to say that I own several different 1911 pistols. One (the oldest) was made during WWII, the newest was made this year by S&W and is the best shooting gun I own or have ever owned. The others were made between those years and cover five different makers.

Now for my humble opinion. A person cannot tell the difference in safeties or trigger in the guns. A trigger can be tuned. Safeties are internal and a person shooting the gun will not know what is in there. The differences are nothing more than preconceived ideas spurred on by reviews, opinions of others that were passed on and other things that just puts a notion in someone's head.

Many blind type tests have been done on soft drinks, guns and other items to see if people could tell the difference and often the person preferred what they previously said they did not like.

I could take nine 1911 model pistols and blindfold the shooter and they could not tell the difference other than for the feel of the gun due to ambidextrous safety or extended mag release.

As stated, S&W went heads above the rest with their new 1911 but all the others are good guns as well. I will likely buy one of the new Remingtons out of my next lengthy court trial or healthy case week. The safety, trigger or such will not matter. If anything, it matters more that it is made in the US by US labor. It matters that the money stays in the US.

Again, JMHO from more years of shooting (58 yrs) and firearm collecting (50 years) than most people here have lived.

Good call Oldman.

I too have never seen anyone that could tell the difference in trigger pulls versus series 70 or 80.

I have two Kimber Classic Customs. One a series one without the safety and the other with. I can't tell which one is which by pulling the trigger.

For those that don't know, the Schwartz type safety has been around for a LONG time. Maybe we don't need it, but it still works just fine.

Back to the original subject, I like the Remington but won't buy one. Just don't need another 1911.

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by kscardsfan

I think shipping it all the way to KS might be a little prohibitive cost wise lol, besides my next 1911 is going to be something of the Kimber flavor (gift to myself for getting my paygrade )

Maybe 25 bucks to ship. I don't do Kimbers, highly overrated, imho.

[sgt.207]

Mike,

How did the Remington 1911 look?

Originally Posted by ladder13

Maybe 25 bucks to ship. I don't do Kimbers, highly overrated, imho.

[Grayfox]

I got one of the new Remingtons a little over a week ago. I must say that I'm very happy with it. Its well made and has one of the best factory triggers I've ever seen. So far I've run several different Hardball, JHP and lead loads through it without the slightest problem. Its also far more accurate than I am.
I did make a couple of changes. I like my 1911s with a long trigger, arched MSH and smooth grips. So I did change those out. Otherwise I have no intentions ever modifying the pistol again.
While I had it apart, I found it to just as nice on the inside as out. No tool marks or burrs to be found anywhere. It is very well made.
A WORD OF WARNING Right now these pistols are very hard to find. I have a friend with a FFL who searched for weeks and came up empty. None of the distributors he deals with had any. It appears that Remington is only selling them to certian distributors and they in turn are only selling to select dealers. Mainly the big, high volume dealers. I'm lucky in that there's one of these dealers in Memphis and he's only getting a few.
So don't expect to have your local dealer order one for you because in most cases they can't get any.

Here's mine after the mods.

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by sgt.207

Mike,

How did the Remington 1911 look?

Chris, actually quite nice asthetically. The fit and finish appeared to be well done. No idea of functioning but I'm sure reviews will be out shortly if they're not out already.
It appears Grayfox really likes his example.

[sgt.207]

They look like they are put together well, I'm interested to see how they hold up. Been thinking of an S&W 1911 anyway.

Originally Posted by ladder13

Chris, actually quite nice asthetically. The fit and finish appeared to be well done. No idea of functioning but I'm sure reviews will be out shortly if they're not out already.
It appears Grayfox really likes his example.

[sw_1911]

Gunbroker's full of them...

[Duke426]

Originally Posted by sw_1911

Gunbroker's full of them...

Yep, just counted 20 of them on GB. If you want 'em they got 'em!

[DeadAye]

There are a couple of threads on 1911Forum.com under 1911 Manufactures - Other 1911's.

Apparently mostly stamped and MIM parts.

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by sgt.207

They look like they are put together well, I'm interested to see how they hold up. Been thinking of an S&W 1911 anyway.

Me too, time to visit Uncle Richie

[sgt.207]

Yes, a visit to Uncle Richie is in order!!!

Originally Posted by ladder13

Me too, time to visit Uncle Richie

[Centenniel]

Remington is producing a well made 1911 pistol that has a few very sensible upgrades. It is American made and priced right. That works for me. I have several 1911's and intend to get one made by Big Green.

[Grayfox]

There are a couple of threads on 1911Forum.com under 1911 Manufactures - Other 1911's.

Apparently mostly stamped and MIM parts.

I can't swear about MIM as I wouldn't recognize a MIM part if it bit me on the butt. But I can guarantee you the only thing stamped are the two small levers for the firing pin block. Identical to the Colt Series 80. The gun is very well built.
Once again the internet "experts" who've never actually seen one are passing judgement.

[G-Mac]

I just down-loaded the 1911 literature from the link on the first post.

Read the fine print at the bottom.

Another company is using the Remington name under a licensing agreement and has contracted with Remington to produce product. It doesn't say what product but I'm assuming it's this pistola.

[kscardsfan]

That's gone on for years. Think of the fishing, camping, vehicle accessories, etc. I bought a "remington" model 798 which is just a zastava model 98 mauser relabled. Its nothing new.

[oldman45]

Many things are made by companies other than the brand maker on the item.

While I like to get the real thing, I look more to fit and finish than by brand.

From the looks of the new Remington, I would not mind owning one myself but want to hold it in my hands before ordering one. I have an old WWII Remington 1911 and a few Remington shotguns so a new 1911 from them would seem appropriate, no matter who makes them to Remington specs.

[40cal]

Originally Posted by OCD1

40cal, You found and bought one already?? Didn't know they were out yet.

Yep they show them online from $575 to $650 right now but most are on backorder. GB & GA has some priced on the hi side. When all the dust settles we may see em at $550,IMO.
Yes it is a 80 series, but all my other pistols have a firing-pin saftey so I dont fear that it may malfunction. My R1 has a smooth trigger and I dont think I could feel the difference anyway. The grip saftey fits my hand- no hammer bite. It feeds JHP no problems. I did research it before, the remington factory is full of parts that they assemble in Ilon, NY. Now where are all these made IDK? They outsource the barrels & a few little parts but are working to manufacture virtually the entire pistol in-house. It may not be 100% USA. but what is? Either way there are people working in NY that put em together, dont think you can say that about other 1911s.
A bit of history Remington-UMC manufactured them during WWI only. The 1911A1 from WWII were made by Remington-Rand, a division of the arms co. that built typewriters. Remington-UMC was to busy with ammo contracts to make pistolas. So if you are in the market for a "New" GI 1911 dont close your eyes on this one. It is a well built smooth working value for the dollar handgun. IMO U just gotta luv "cocked and locked"

E-RPC is the company that contracted Remington to make this pistol. Trademarked jan. 2010 by RA brands, (Remington Arms) this is a shell corp. to limit lawsuit liability. E-RPC stands for Eliphalet, (name of founder) Remington, Pistol, Company. ERPC is located @ Madison, North Carolina, USA