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Old 07-24-2010, 09:35 AM
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Does anyone have any experience with these? Are they reliable? My son and I both have one on order. He is a cop and is able to get them at a pretty good price through an FFL that he works with. I thought that it would be handy for concealed carry in the summer when in shorts or when riding my motorcycle.
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Old 07-24-2010, 09:59 AM
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Yes and yes. They are great pocket guns. I carry one when not carrying my 9mm. Do a search there are a gazillon threads.

A refined copy of the Kel Tec. Much nicer looking but no better or worse as far as shooting. I shoot Rem Golden Sabers 102gr or Speer Gold Dots.

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Does anyone have any experience with these? Are they reliable? My son and I both have one on order. He is a cop and is able to get them at a pretty good price through an FFL that he works with. I thought that it would be handy for concealed carry in the summer when in shorts or when riding my motorcycle.
Didn't want to try the new S&W Bodyguard .380?
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I have one that I carried for about 6 or 8 months. When clean the LCP shoots great and is very reliable. But if it gets a bit of dirt or pocket lint in it the little gun is not all that reliable.

A friend has one also and the other night we had a bowling pin shoot and decided to have a round with .380s. He has been carrying his LCP for a bit and sure enough it jammed. On the outside and from what could be seen without taking it down the gun looked clean. He did say he had been wiping it down but not taking it apart for a deep cleaning.
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I have one that I carried for about 6 or 8 months. When clean the LCP shoots great and is very reliable. But if it gets a bit of dirt or pocket lint in it the little gun is not all that reliable.

A friend has one also and the other night we had a bowling pin shoot and decided to have a round with .380s. He has been carrying his LCP for a bit and sure enough it jammed. On the outside and from what could be seen without taking it down the gun looked clean. He did say he had been wiping it down but not taking it apart for a deep cleaning.
That's unusual. I doubt it's "lint" causing the problem. Call Ruger and send it back.
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:56 PM
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I got one as a birthday present last week. I've shot about a box of shells through it. I had one failure to feed about halfway through the first clip. After that, smooth sailing. I'm surprised that I can actually hit something with it. I'm not a very good handgun shot, but have no trouble at all keeping EVERY shot on a sheet of notebook paper at 15 yards. Recoil wasn't as bad as I expected for such a small, light handgun either. So far, I really like it.
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I've had and carried and shot BOTH the 'LCP' as well as the Kel Tec, and for ME, the Kel Tec outshot either of the two LCPs I had ( thought maybe the first one was a fluke).........nice, light weight, easy to carry ( flat)...............get what works for you, but I'd go back to ANY 21A berretta (mousegun) than the LCP, or better yet, a small J frame...just MY .02 cents.....................
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I've had and carried and shot BOTH the 'LCP' as well as the Kel Tec, and for ME, the Kel Tec outshot either of the two LCPs I had ( thought maybe the first one was a fluke).........nice, light weight, easy to carry ( flat)...............get what works for you, but I'd go back to ANY 21A berretta (mousegun) than the LCP, or better yet, a small J frame...just MY .02 cents.....................

Do you think the Beretta .25's, especially the 950B, are more reliable than the LCP? I'm only addressing reliability here, not opening a discussion of .25 vs. .380.

I do know that early LCP's were recalled to fix some problems. I gather that current production is much better? Beretta's small .25's have had the best rep among the tiny pocket autos.

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I bought an LCP a bit over a year ago. It has proved reliable. I haven't shot hundreds of rounds through it but the couple of hundred I have fired have all been without problems, after the first magazine or two to break it in some. I carry it most days as a BUG and a primary at times. I use a DeSantis pocket holster. I DO keep it clean and field strip it and clean and lube it weekly. I have observed that many people take pocket a pistol out of the pocket and toss it on the dresser or in a drawer and ignore it until it goes back into the pocket. They get treated like keys or a wallet. Small pistols are more sensitive to lack of lubrication and poor maintenance. I have been pleased with mine.
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I call my LCP my "American Express Card"...even if I pack another firearm, it is always on me somewhere.
Yes, it was one of those recalled.
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Mine is not bad, I have shot probably 300-350 rounds,no jams no problems.
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Have had an LCP for 11 months. Nice, well made pocket pistol.
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I've had mine for 18 months. Put about 200 rounds through it with no problems feeding Speer Gold Dot HP and Winchester FMJ.

My neighbor just got one and says he has had some issues but we think it might have been due to limp-wristing.

It's no range gun for sure, but that's not the intent.

At this point in time I would sure take a look at the Kahr P380 and the new S&W offering as neither of those were available when I got my LCP.
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I've got both the LCP & Kel-Tec P3AT (.380) and think they shoot about the same but prefer the Kel-Tec over the Ruger due to it's rougher frame texture, which allows a little bit better grip purchase on it's small surface area.

You should be happy with the LCP, it's good at doing what it's designed for, allowing you to carry at all times, or, as I use it, as a back-up gun (BUG.)
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The LCP is a very nice little gun! I recently carried mine IWB for 16 hours for a wedding. It was comfortable enough that I could enjoy the day without having to adjust at all. Even out in the near 100 degree heat and 500% humidity it didn't bother me.. and I had to stand around for pictures being that I was a groomsman.

I have yet to have any issues with it. All of my rounds have been flawless. I've been wearing it a lot this summer and I try to clean it every Sunday (but it's been more like every other Sunday). I like to clean it just because I wear it so often I do see some build up after a while... like lint, dirt, leaf particles and other various peculiarities.

This is not a target gun. It is a close quarters self defense gun. Despite this it is a very accurate shooter. All shots end up on an eight inch circle at 7 yards... and those are speedy shots.

I prefer it over the Kel Tec. To me, the LCP feels better and doesn't vibrate as much in my hand when fired.

It's reliable, accurate, small, light, thin, easily concealed, and extremely easy to carry. Great BUG or even primary for certain situations.
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Old 07-25-2010, 02:51 AM
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I like my Lcp quite a bit and shoot it fairly regularly.

I had two failure to fully chamber between rounds 50-75 and always felt like the gun was a bit lethargic when chambering a round. I put an 11lb. wolff spring in it at the 100 round count and have experienced no cycling problems with 6 different types of ammo and approaching over 700 rounds total.

Two other issues include the walking frame pin and mushrooming guide rod head, both at about the 450 round mark. I pushed the pin back in, rotated the guide rod to change the engagement spot on the head and kept on trucking. Both these issues are are documented in sticky threads at that elsiepea forum.

I have tried two of the expensive leather front pocket holsters but keep coming back to the cheap desantis nemesis holster. Makes no sense to me to take a wonderfully small gun and put it in a large, thick, stiff holster. And no, I don't buy the whole 'printing' business. I found the pearce extensions to be too large and the Ruger factory extension to be just the right size to stabilize the grip but not negatively affect pocketability. And I like my LCP to be equiped with the CT laser.



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Mine had the "walking" frame pins. Called Ruger and the sent me new ones in 2 days. They first asked if "I thought I could replace them myself"? if not the would have the gun picked up.
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Mine had the "walking" frame pins. Called Ruger and the sent me new ones in 2 days. They first asked if "I thought I could replace them myself"? if not the would have the gun picked up.

Was your gun an early one? Maybe they've fixed that? I hope! I want one.

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I have had mine for a couple of months now and have had no problems with it at all. Probably have put over 500 rounds through it. I absolutely love my LCP! I purchased it specifically for concealed carry when I walk the dogs, and run my errands. It's lightweight and thin. I wear mine IWB and I don't even know it is there. I've never had any jams or problems. However, I do strip my gun down and clean it after I'm done shooting it, every time. Hope you enjoy it as much as I have enjoyed mine.
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I like my Colt Junior 25 loaded with Hornady hollow points as my BUG. There's just something about plastic guns that rubs me the wrong way.
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I have about 125 rounds through mine so far. Other than a couple initial failures to eject on the last round with one magazine it has been reliable with Rem UMC FMJ and WWB FMJ-FP. Accuracy is perfectly acceptable. I went to it because every single Keltec pistol that I have foolishly bought broke on me.

That said, I suppose it has to do with the size of my hands, but I find this a more punishing gun to shoot than my 342 Airlite Ti. I shot most of those 125 rounds in one short range session last week and my hands are still sore four days later.
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Does anyone have any experience with these? Are they reliable? My son and I both have one on order. He is a cop and is able to get them at a pretty good price through an FFL that he works with. I thought that it would be handy for concealed carry in the summer when in shorts or when riding my motorcycle.
Sir, a buddy of mine has one and likes it. After one magazine through the little beast, I was eager to go back to my .45. Like many small blowback .380s, the LCP's recoil gets your attention. It also stovepiped on both me and its owner. My buddy said he hadn't cleaned it in a while and attributed the jams to that. I suspect it's more a matter of lube than cleanliness, but would need more experience with it to say for sure.

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A client of mine is an older lady who has been threatened. She wants a handgun for home protection and is considering getting a carry permit. She bought a S&W 442 but has a hard time pulling the trigger. She is slight of build and has weak hands. I had her shoot several of my J-frames and even a few K-frames that had what I thought were fairly light trigger pulls and she had a lot of trouble. She is seriously considering an LCP, mostly because she can rack the slide fairly easily. She shot my Glock 27 and Kahr PM40 without any trouble, but I chambered the rounds, she couldn't do it.
Are there any slightly built women on here who can comment on the LCP? Or I'd be open to other suggestions.
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Another LCP carrier here, 99% of the time. Mine has been reliable. In fact, I find I drop in my pocket during the winter months as well, instead of carrying a larger gun in a OWB holster.
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A client of mine is an older lady who has been threatened. She wants a handgun for home protection and is considering getting a carry permit. She bought a S&W 442 but has a hard time pulling the trigger. She is slight of build and has weak hands. I had her shoot several of my J-frames and even a few K-frames that had what I thought were fairly light trigger pulls and she had a lot of trouble. She is seriously considering an LCP, mostly because she can rack the slide fairly easily. She shot my Glock 27 and Kahr PM40 without any trouble, but I chambered the rounds, she couldn't do it.
Are there any slightly built women on here who can comment on the LCP? Or I'd be open to other suggestions.
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Sir, if she can't manage the DA trigger on a J-frame, the LCP probably isn't going to work for her, either. The LCP's DAO trigger is very long and quite stiff. I have DA revolvers with easier triggers.

Was it me, I'd suggest a J-frame with an exposed hammer so she can cock the piece manually. I know that single-action revolver shooting isn't accepted "tactical doctrine" these days, but it's about the only option for those whose hands are too weak for DA shooting or racking the slide on an auto.

JMHO, FWIW.

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I like my Colt Junior 25 loaded with Hornady hollow points as my BUG. There's just something about plastic guns that rubs me the wrong way.
I agree that I prefer some forged blue steel with walnut in my hands, but honestly stainless and polymer beat traditional methods everyday for legitmate use/carry. What does the trigger on the LCP come in at? I fondled one at my local dealer's shop when they were brand new. I remember it seemed really long, but it didn't feel overly heavy or anything.
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THE problem with that combo - SemiAuto & WeakHands - is clearing a jam in panic mode... Ya might as well have a small rock in your hands.

There are a lot of SA revolvers that are easy to cock and easier to operate the trigger.
A DA revolver with a *fair* trigger and a lot of dry fire practice will help both the revolver and her hand(s).

Take the nice lady to a gun store and have her try guns till she finds one that she can operate.
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I have had Elsie for over a year now. Fired probably 200+ rounds through her. Nary a hiccup! Kicks like the devil. Not a range gun by any means. Like someone else said, it's like my AMEX card, I just don't leave home without it! As the old PMI on the .45 ACP at Parris Island said, lo, these many years ago, "you don't need a pistol 'til you need a pistol". Have had use for one in a quasi defense position only once in over 40 years, but that once was comforting and the perp's anal sphincter was much looser after looking down the business end of a Colt 1911-A1 up close and personal. Later told my LEO brother it looked like a 5" gun!
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A client of mine is an older lady who has been threatened. She wants a handgun for home protection and is considering getting a carry permit. She bought a S&W 442 but has a hard time pulling the trigger. She is slight of build and has weak hands. I had her shoot several of my J-frames and even a few K-frames that had what I thought were fairly light trigger pulls and she had a lot of trouble. She is seriously considering an LCP, mostly because she can rack the slide fairly easily. She shot my Glock 27 and Kahr PM40 without any trouble, but I chambered the rounds, she couldn't do it.
Are there any slightly built women on here who can comment on the LCP? Or I'd be open to other suggestions.
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Ruger Standard .22 auto with 4.75-inch bbl., preferably in stainless. Whichever good JHP load feeds best in it and shoots well.

Shoot it enough to break it in and be sure it feeds well.
Massad Ayoob has recommended the tip-action barrel Beretta .25's for ladies with arthritic hands, but I haven't tried cocking the hammer on one. That might be tough.

If you find a really clean Colt Woodsman or one of its spin-offs, like a Huntman, that'd work, too. But the grips might be a little thick for a slightly built lady.

I can't offhand think of a good carry gun for her. The Ruger .22 will work for home or car. And recoil is very modest.

Good luck to her.

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I thought about the tip-up guns, but have no experience with them. Does anyone make them in larger calibers than .25 ACP?
A previous poster suggested a revolver with exposed hammer she could cock. I thought of that too, and she could do that with my M36 and M13, but LOWERING the hammer without firing was a bit tricky. Fortunately we tried it with an empty gun. She could probably do it with practice, but in a stressful situation I don't want something else to go wrong. She likes the LCP and has no problem with the trigger pull and can manipulate the slide. Unless somebody comes up with a better idea that's probably what she'll buy.
Then I'm going to spend a LOT of time training her!
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I think the Beretta 86 was the tip up barrel .380. Not sure if they still make it though.

Honestly, after shooting my lcp I can't imagine recommending to to anybody, man or woman, with low hand strength. It is a bear to hang onto.

In think that a Ruger Mkii/iii or a Browning Buckmark loaded with the hottest 22 ammo that it will cycle reliable might not be a bad plan. Cheap and easy to practice with and the more she shoots the faster and more accurately she can put rounds on target.

This may sound odd, but you should have her check out a 1911a1 in 9mmp also. Due to the heavy slides they typically have pretty light recoil springs and the ones that I have shot feel more like shooting a big 22 than anything else.

A good gunsmith can do wonders for a small revolver. You would not believe the trigger on a 640-1 by Karl Sokol that I have shot.
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Here's mine in a homemade pocket holster. How do you carry yours?
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Sir, a buddy of mine has one and likes it. After one magazine through the little beast, I was eager to go back to my .45. Like many small blowback .380s, the LCP's recoil gets your attention. It also stovepiped on both me and its owner. My buddy said he hadn't cleaned it in a while and attributed the jams to that. I suspect it's more a matter of lube than cleanliness, but would need more experience with it to say for sure.

Hope this helps, and Semper Fi.

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The LCP is not a "blowback" design nor is the KT, It is a locked breech. The recoil is very manageable compared to a blowback and not violent at all.
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I had a LCP until one day of shooting at the range. Trigger very long and hard to pull. The gun does carry great. I traded mine for a Ruger LCR in .38 spl which for a small gun has a nice shot crisp trigger pull. I now carry my LCR always and don't miss my LCP at all. I just felt that I couldn't hit anything with the LCP at over 5 yards and with the LCR I can make not bad groups at 25 yards.

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My LCP came in last night. I like it. It looks like it will carry well. I will start looking around for a holster soon. I plan to shoot 2 or 3 boxes of hardball through it to break it in before identifying a self defense load for carry purposes. My biggest fear is that it will prove to be unreliable. We will see.
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I had an LCP for awhile and then purchased a couple of Sig P238's. I like them much better. Better sights, ergos and accuracy ( all for me atleast ). I know the P238 has had teething issues, as most new guns have ( even the LCP ).

But as soon as I purchased a P238, I sold the LCP. I liked the P238 alot better.

The LCP was good. But I didn't like the sights, the ergos were good until I held a P238.

I believe the LCP is a very good gun. I just happened to like the P238 better thats all.
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'Massad Ayoob has recommended the tip-action barrel Beretta .25's for ladies with arthritic hands, but I haven't tried cocking the hammer on one. That might be tough.'

I have a Beretta 950 Jetfire and the hammer has a good deal of spring pressure and is fairly difficult to cock because of the pressure and the size and shape of the hammer. It is definitely NOT a good choice for somebody suffering from arthritis. The DA version of the tip-barrel Jetfire might be a good choice.
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First post guys and gals.

I have both an LCP and a 380 BG. They are just about the same thickness and overall size, the BG seems a bit "thicker" and is slightly heavier. The SnW is - my thinking only - far better made. Better engineering...I have not yet shot it, just got it. Its feel is better, it fits my hand better even though I use a mag X-tender on the LCP. The LCP's handle is really tiny...the Smith's has the right dimensions I think for the average hand. A beautiful, well thought out design...and only this opinion from an engineering standpoint. After all, the LCP is not an original design, but a refinement of the KelTec - who should be getting most of the credit.

If I knew how to do it I'd post the photos, side by side, of the two.
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I can email the photos, maybe one of you can post it.
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It's easy to post photos. If you do not have a online account like Photo Bucket, you can link directly to the photos stored on your computer. Just make sure they are not huge files. On the top of your message when you post there is a paper clip icon. (just 2 to the right of the smile face.) Click on that. Browse on upload from your computer to where you have the pic files. Click up load, JPEG file can only be 250K.

Sometime it takes a few moments to upload.
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While my S&W BG is off to the clinic I bought an LCP II. Today shot 75 rounds Critical Defense. Had 11 stovepipes. Not all that accurate at 15-feet. I may keep it. And I may not. Disappointed because I have been a Ruger guy for a long time and I won't part with my LC9 (the original one-I LIKE the trigger!)
For what it's worth fellas.
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Not all that accurate at 15-feet.
Can you quantify that a bit for me? If I can get fist sized groups out of a gun that small at 5 yards I consider it good enough for social work.
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I hope the OP checks in and updates us with his 7 years of LCP experience now!

I've had a couple, and both have been great. This one choked a few times on some crappy steel cased Wal Mart ball, then settled in and works fine with brass cased stuff.



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Wow looking at the age of this thread 2010 lol. I can rember well the craze of the .380 2008. I got tired of wating on LCP and bought the Kel Tec its been flawless with thousand of rounds threw it. Thank God the rounds don't cost now what thet did in 2008 . Very hard to find back then
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